The slowing down of a Farady disc

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The problem involves a homopolar generator consisting of a rotating metal disc in a magnetic field. The discussion focuses on calculating resistance, potential difference, and the time taken for the disc to slow down when a load resistance is connected.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relationship between mechanical energy loss and electrical power dissipation. Questions arise about how to express the rate of change of kinetic energy and the dependence of angular velocity on time.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress on parts of the problem, particularly in calculating energy changes. There is ongoing exploration of how to relate mechanical and electrical energy rates, with some guidance provided on focusing on electrical power and kinetic energy expressions.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, with specific parts of the problem completed and a focus on the final integral related to the disc's deceleration.

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Homework Statement


A homopolar generator consists of a metal disc of radius ##a## and a central axle which has radius ##a/4##. The disc has resistivity ##\rho## and thickness ##t##. It is rotated in a uniform magnetic field ##B## about an axis through the centre, which is parallel to ##B## and perpendicular to the plane containing the disc, at an angular frequency ##\omega##. Thin ring brushes make good electrical contact with the disc near the axle and near the outer rim of the disc as shown.

(a) Calculate the resistance of the disc ##R_D## measured between the brushes.

(b) Show that the potential difference between the brushes is ##(15/32)ωBa2## .

(c) A load resistance ##R_L## is connected across the generator and the drive is removed. Show that, in the absence of mechanical friction, the time ##\tau## taken for the disc to slow down to half its initial angular speed is
$$\tau =( 32/15)^2 \frac{m(R_L + R_D) ln(2)}{ 2a^2B^2} $$.

Homework Equations



Inertia of a disc:
$$I=1/2 ma^2$$
Kinetic energy of rotating disc:
$$E=1/2 I\dot{\theta}^2$$
Electrical Power Dissipated:
$$ P=\frac{dE}{dt}=\frac{v^2}{R_l+R_D}=(\frac{15Ba^2}{32})^2\frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{R_l+R_D}$$

The Attempt at a Solution


I have done part (a) and (b) - its only part C I need:

Energy at full speed:
$$E_1=\frac{ma^2\omega^2}{4}$$
Energy at half speed:
$$E_2=\frac{ma^2\omega^2}{16}$$
Energy lost:
$$E_2-E_1=\frac{3}{16}ma^2\omega^2=\int^\tau_0pdt=(\frac{15Ba^2}{32})^2\int^\tau_0\frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{R_L+R_D}dt$$
Basically, how do I solve that integral? I know the start and end values of ##\dot{\theta}##/

thank you
 
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To do the final integral, you would need to know how ##\dot{\theta}## depends on time.

You have an expression for the rate at which electrical energy is produced. Can you come up with an expression for the rate at which mechanical energy is lost? How are these two rates related?
 
Mechanical energy is lost at the same rate that energy is dissipated through the resistances.

I could go into forces and go right back to first principles but I feel that would be far too long
 
You don't need to go into forces. Just work with the electrical power and mechanical power.
 
I thought about that but I couldn't see how to do it
 
You already have an expression for the kinetic energy of the disk. Can you use that to obtain a general expression for the rate of change of the kinetic energy?
 
Yes, I think :)
$$\frac{dE}{dt}=\frac{15Ba^2}{32}^2\frac{\dot{\theta}^2}{R_l+R_d}=\frac{15Ba^2}{32}^2\frac{4E}{ma^2(R_l+R_d)}$$

Which is seperable.Edit - I have worked through it all and it works, thank you
 
OK. Good work.
 

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