Calculating Energy and Mass in Espresso Machine and Analyzing Cooling of Coffee

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The discussion revolves around calculating energy and mass in the context of an espresso machine heating milk with steam and analyzing the cooling of coffee. The problem involves specific heat capacities and latent heat, focusing on energy transfer and temperature changes in a thermal system.

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  • Participants explore calculations for energy required to heat milk and the mass of steam condensed, questioning the accuracy of their results and the underlying assumptions.
  • Some participants discuss the validity of the exponential cooling rate of coffee and attempt to estimate its temperature over time.
  • Questions arise regarding the temperature of steam and its effect on milk, as well as the implications of phase changes during condensation.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various calculations and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the heat transfer processes involved, particularly in relation to phase changes and energy conservation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored, particularly concerning the mass of steam and the heat required for temperature changes.

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Participants note potential typos in temperature values and discuss the implications of these errors on their calculations. There is also a focus on understanding the relationship between steam and water in the context of energy transfer, with some uncertainty about how to apply specific heat values correctly.

  • #31
TSny said:
In the video, the numbers were chosen to make the percent change exactly 50% for two consecutive data points. For real data, you cannot expect the data to be perfectly exponential, or perfectly linear, etc. You are just trying to discover if the data is "well described" by exponential behavior, or linear behavior, etc.

For the data in the problem, the percent decrease is fairly constant at around 15%. If you had to pick between exponential or linear behavior, which would you choose?

For determining the temperature at t = 12 s, I would not recommend your method.
In that case it indeed can be described by exponential. I though the numbers should be exactly the same, and not somewhat similar like in my case.

Do you have a suggestion how to find the temperature at t = 12 s?
 
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  • #32
moenste said:
Do you have a suggestion how to find the temperature at t = 12 s?
First get the temperature at t = 10 seconds using an assumption of exponential behavior. Then go to t = 12 s.
 
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  • #33
TSny said:
First get the temperature at t = 10 seconds using an assumption of exponential behavior. Then go to t = 12 s.
But what percentage to use?

48 °C / 41 °C = 1.17
41 °C / t10 s = 1.17
t10 s = 35.02 °C

35.02 °C / t12 s = 1.17
t12 s = 29.93 °C

Like that?
 
  • #34
You could average the four percent changes that you initially calculated. Use that average percent change to fill out the rest of the table.
 
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