Calculating Force and Area Ratios for Piston Homework | 464lb Weight Support

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The problem involves calculating the force required to support a weight using two pistons with different diameters and a lever arm. The context is related to fluid mechanics and mechanical advantage, specifically focusing on the relationship between force and area ratios in a hydraulic system.

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  • Participants discuss the use of a formula relating force and area, questioning whether it is appropriate for the problem. There is an attempt to apply the area ratio of the pistons to the weight being supported. Another participant introduces mechanical advantage concepts related to lever arms.

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The discussion includes various approaches to the problem, with one participant providing a calculation based on area ratios and mechanical advantage. There is also mention of a separate issue regarding Bernoulli's equation, indicating ongoing exploration of related concepts.

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Participants express uncertainty about the correct application of formulas and the relevance of Bernoulli's equation to the problem at hand. There is a focus on understanding the relationships between the forces, areas, and distances involved in the setup.

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Homework Statement



Piston 1 in the figure has a diameter of 0.27 in and is attached to a lever arm a distance 1.8 in from the pivot point. Piston 2 has a diameter of 1.3 in. An external force F acts on the
lever arm at a distance 20 in from piston 1 as shown below. In the absence of friction, find the force F necessary to support the 464 lb weight. Assume the height difference between the pistons is negligible.
Answer in units of lb.

Homework Equations



Forcein/Areain = Forceout/Areaout

The Attempt at a Solution



The picture is #1 on the attached files.
I'm not even sure you're supposed to use this formula, but I have no clue how to solve it. Can someone please guide me in the right direction. Thanks



 

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hi, I was trying to solve the problem with the bernoulli's equation on your other post, and saw that you said you need help with this one, and i happened to just solved it, so i thought i'll stop by, hope it's not too late for your quest thing...


I did (A1/A2)*464lb
so, [pi*(0.27/2)^2]/[pi*(1.3/2)^2] times 464lb = x

then you have to do the mechanical ratio thing.. sooo

(shorter distance/ (shorter distance + longer distance) ) times the above answer you just found = what you need

[1.8/ (1.8+20)]*x = what you need

and I'm still having problem with the bernoulli's equa :(
 
and here's all the technical stuff:

x i mentioned above is force of small piston produced... fyi

technical stuff on the 2nd step:
+F1d1 - Fd = 0
+F1d1 = Fd
so F = (d1/d)*F1
 
and nvm i got the bernoulli's equ :)
 

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