Calculating Force Applied by Parent: 163.4 N

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The discussion revolves around calculating the force applied by a parent pulling a wagon with a child, given the mass, work done, distance, and coefficient of friction. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, particularly forces, work, and friction.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between work, force, and distance, with some attempting to calculate the applied force and frictional force. Questions arise regarding the angle of the applied force and the implications of constant speed on net forces.

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Some participants express confidence in the initial calculations, while others question the assumptions made, particularly regarding the angle of application and the relationship between work done and forces involved. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and calculations.

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Participants note that the problem does not specify an angle for the applied force, leading to assumptions that may not fully address the complexities of the situation. Additionally, there is a recognition that the work done by friction needs to be considered in the overall analysis.

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In many neighbourhoods, you might see parents pulling youngsters in a four-wheeled wagon. The child and the wagon have a combined mass of 50kg and the adult does 2.2 x10^3 J of work pulling the two 60m at a constant speed. The coefficient of friction for the surfaces in contact is 0.26

Determine the magnitude of the force applied by the parent


Given:
m = 50kg
W = 2200 J
d = 60m
u = 0.26

Required: Fapp

Analysis: Fapp = Fnet - Ff; Fnet = W/d; Ff = uFn; Fn = Fg; Fg = mg

Solution: Ff = (0.26)(50kg)(-9.8m/s^2) = -127.4 N

Fnet = 2200J / 60m = 36.7N

Fapp = 36.7N - (-127.4N) = 163.4N

Paraphrase: The Magnitude of the force applied by the parent is 163.4N.

Can someone kindly check this over for me and let me know if I have solved the question correctly? I haven't applied (cos) to the formula
W = F*cos*d but I wasn't sure how to solve for that part...
 
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Seems right to me. Since the problem does not give you an angle, you can only assume that the applied force is parallel to the horizontal...
 
Well actually, the next question asks me to determine the angle at which the parent is applying this force. I could state that it is 0 since that is what I used to solve the first part, but that is kind of a self-fulfilling answer.

I feel like I am still missing something.
 
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Based on the problem, that would be my best guess...maybe I'm wrong?
 
ND3G said:
Well actually, the next question asks me to determine the angle at which the parent is applying this force. I could state that it is 0 since that is what I used to solve the first part, but that is kind of a self-fulfilling answer.

I feel like I am still missing something.
If you take your result for the
force applied by the parent, and multiply it by the distance moved, you don't get 2200J, so something is wrong. If the parent does 2200J of work, and the cart moves at constant speed, then how much work is done by friction?
Use that value and go from there.
 
OK, so here we go farther down the rabbit hole

Required:
Fapp

Analysis:
Since the speed is constant Fnet = 0
Therefore, F(a) - F(f) = 0, F(a) = F(f)
F(f) = uFn, Fn = Fg, Fg = mg

Solution:
Ff = (0.26)(50kg)(-9.8m/s^2) = -127.4 N

Analysis:
W = F(cos(theta))(d), F(cos(theta)) = W/d

Solution:
F(cos(theta)) = 2200J / 60m = 36.7 N

Analysis:
Since the parent is pulling both forward and upwards:
Fn = -[F(sin(theta)) + mg]
Pulling Force + Frictional Force = 0
Therefore, F(cos(theta)) - (0.26)[F(sin(theta)) + mg] = 0

Solution:
36.7 N - (0.26)[F(sin(theta)) - 127.4] = 0
141.2 N - [F(sin(theta)) - 127.4 N] = 0
F(sin(thetha)) = 268.6 N

Analysis:
sin(theta) / cos(theta) = tan(theta)
Cancel out F:

Solution:
268.6 N / 36.7 N = 7.31880108992

Theta = tan^-1 (7.31880108992) = 82.2 degrees

Analysis:
F = W / ((cos(theta))(d))

Solution:
F = 2200 J / ((cos(82.2)(60m)) = 270.2 N

Paraphrase:
The magnitude of force applied by the parent is 270.2 N

I'm almost positive that I still don't have it right but I think I am getting closer
 
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That's not the way you do it. U're still incorrect. The Fn is not = Fg. if you still need help with the question let me know.
 

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