Calculating Forces in Equilibrium for Suspended Sign

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The problem involves calculating forces in equilibrium for a suspended sign, specifically focusing on the tension in a cable and the forces exerted by a hinge. The context includes a uniform rectangular sign and a supporting rod, with specific dimensions and weights provided.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of torque and the center of mass (CM) of the sign, questioning the distance from the hinge to the CM. There is also a mention of the weight of the sign and its relevance to the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants are exploring the implications of the center of mass on torque calculations, while others are questioning the initial assumptions made regarding distances and forces. Guidance has been offered regarding the correct placement of the CM in relation to the hinge.

Contextual Notes

There is a potential misunderstanding regarding the distance of the center of mass from the hinge, which may affect torque calculations. The weight of the sign is also noted, but its role in the calculations is still being clarified.

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Homework Statement


A 580 N uniform rectangular sign 4.00 m wide and 3.00 m high is suspended from a horizontal, 6.00-m-long, uniform, 80-N rod as indicated in the figure below. The left end the rod is supported by a hinge and the right end is supported by a thin cable making a 30.0° angle with the vertical.
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(a) Find the tension, T, in the cable.
(b) Find the horizontal and vertical components of force exerted on the left end of the rod by the hinge. (Take up and to the right to be the positive directions.)

The Attempt at a Solution


a. (580N + 80N)(3.0m) = T cos(30) (6.0m)
T= (660N)(3.0m)/(6.0m cos 30)
T=381.1N

b. Tv=T cos 30
Tv=381.1 N cos 30
Tv=330.0 N up

Fv= Tv-W
Fv= -(330.0 N - 660 N)
Fv=330 N up

Th=T sin 30
Th=381.1 N sin 30
Th= 190.6 N to left (-190.6N)

Fh=190.6 to the right
 
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mandy9008 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


a. (580N + 80N)(3.0m) = T cos(30) (6.0m)


You made a mistake when calculating the torque from the sign. The distance of its CM is not 3 m from the hinge.

ehild
 
so it the full 6m?
 
No. Where is the CM of the sign? The weight of the sign, a vertical force, attacks at the CM. What is the distance of this vertical line from the hinge?

ehild
 
so the weight of the sign is 59.2kg
how does this come into play?
 

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