Calculating Fractional Increase in Tension for Beat Frequency Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the fractional increase in tension of two identical piano wires that produce a beat frequency of 6.0 beats per second when oscillating together. The fundamental frequency of the wires is given as 600 Hz.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to use the beat frequency formula to find the second frequency and expresses confusion about how to proceed from there. Some participants suggest finding the ratio of tensions to determine the fractional increase.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different methods to approach the problem, including calculating the ratio of tensions and discussing the implications of fractional versus percentage increases. There is no explicit consensus on the correct method or final answer yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem statement and are attempting to clarify the definitions and calculations related to fractional increases in tension.

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Homework Statement



Two identical piano wires have a fundamental frequency of 600 Hz when kept under the same tension.What fractional increase in the tension of wire will lead to the occurrence of 6.0 beat/sec when both wires oscillate simultaneously?


Homework Equations



fbeat=f2-f1

f=nv/2L

v=\sqrt{}T/\mu

The Attempt at a Solution



I used fbeat=f2-f1 to solve for f2 and ended up with 606Hz. I am really confused as to how to proceed. We were told that the answer should be 0.02 but I have know idea how to get that. Can you please give me a hint as to how to begin?

Thank you.
 
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You can also find the ratio of the tensions (that's what it means by fractional increase)

T=µv^2=µ*(2Lf/n)^2

so then look at T2/T1.
 
Mindscrape said:
You can also find the ratio of the tensions (that's what it means by fractional increase)

T=µv^2=µ*(2Lf/n)^2

so then look at T2/T1.

I tried doing that and at first I ended up with 1.02. After staring at it a little I released that I needed to subtract 1 from my answer to get the fractional increase.

Thanks so much for your help!
 
Well, the ratio between them is 1.02 like you said, so T2 is 1.02 times greater than T1, or in percentages 102%. Fractional increase and percent increase is how much over 1 or 100%, respectively, the numbers are. If someone says a shirt increases in price by 250% then the shirt is really 350% of what it used to be, NewPrice=3.5*OldPrice. I personally don't see why people don't just say the shirt is 350% what it used to be, or has increased to 350% of the old price, but I'm not the one making the rules. :)
 
if its so simple then do it yourself
 
Luongo said:
if its so simple then do it yourself

What are you talking about?
 

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