Phyiscs- Beats and frequency problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving tuning forks and beat frequencies. The original poster presents a scenario where plasticine is added to one fork, affecting its frequency and resulting in a change in the beat frequency observed with another fork. The initial frequency of the unknown fork is questioned, with possible values of 297 Hz or 303 Hz.

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Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the implications of adding plasticine to one fork and how it affects the beat frequency. There is uncertainty about which of the two possible frequencies (297 Hz or 303 Hz) is the correct initial frequency before the addition of plasticine.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively seeking clarification on the problem statement and the implications of the beat frequency changes. Some have provided insights into the relationship between the frequencies and the effects of adding plasticine, while others express confusion and request further explanation.

Contextual Notes

There is a reference to a previous question (#4) that provides context for the frequencies involved, but details of that question were initially missing from the discussion. The problem involves determining the correct frequency of the unknown fork based on the observed beat frequency after modification.

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Homework Statement


Plasticine (which lowers the pitch) is added to one tine of the tuning forks of unknown frequency referred to in question #4 (initial frequency = 300 Hz possible frequencies 303 Hz or 297 Hz). The number of beats decreases to one(per second). What was the frequency of the unknown fork?


Homework Equations


fb=f2-f1 or f1-f2


The Attempt at a Solution


Well, i know how to calculate the beat difference, but I do not under stand which of the 303Hz or the 297Hz referred to question #4 are the correct initial frequencies before adding the Plasticine! Can some one explain that to me please!


Thank you for your time.
 
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I don't think I understand the question. Could you include the problem statement for #4?
 
sakonpure6 said:
Well, i know how to calculate the beat difference, but I do not under stand which of the 303Hz or the 297Hz referred to question #4 are the correct initial frequencies before adding the Plasticine! Can some one explain that to me please!
Hi sakonpure6. You're providing the answer, so I'll try to figure out the question ...

It sounds as though you have 2 tuning forks with a certain beat frequency. You then add plasticine to one of the tines, the effect being to lower the resonant frequency of that fork. If in doing so the beat frequency reduces to 1Hz, what was that fork's resonant frequency without the plasticine?

I think you still need some detail from the question #4 that you allude to, though I'm left to guess.
 
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Since I can't see the edit button, here is question 4 and I really appreciate this guys!

Two tuning forks are sounded together, producing three beats per second. if the first fork has a frequency of 300 Hz , what are the possible frequencies for the other fork?

The answers are: 297Hz and 303Hz
 
sakonpure6 said:
Two tuning forks are sounded together, producing three beats per second. if the first fork has a frequency of 300 Hz , what are the possible frequencies for the other fork?

The answers are: 297Hz and 303Hz
In reality, that second fork must have a frequency of 297Hz or 303Hz, it can't have both fundamentals simultaneously. On the data given for this part of the question, we can't determine which of those two frequencies it does have.

So the next part resolves to: what must have been done to bring about a beat frequency of just 1Hz?
 
I really don't get it! >.< this is the only concept I am having a hard time understanding even when the teacher tries to explain it! May you please show me how you would do it! Thank you for your time.
 
Maybe this will help: You have determined that the unknown tuning fork has a frequency of either 297 or 303 based on the 3 Hz beat note. Now the problem is how do you determine which of these two frequencies is correct. In your first statement, you say that if you add Plasticine to the fork, the frequency will lower. So, if you add the plasticine to the fork what will happen to the beat note depending on whether the unknown frequency is 297 or 303 hz.
 

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