Calculating Impact Force for 65 Tonne Object Lowered by Crane: Case Study

  • Thread starter Thread starter Martin7919
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Impact Load
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the lateral and vertical impact loads when a 65-tonne object is lowered by a crane onto a stationary object in a marine environment. The context includes considerations of the crane's outreach, the effects of sea-state on the crane's motion, and the physical properties of the objects involved.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster seeks to calculate the impact force during the lowering of a 65-tonne object onto a stationary object, noting the crane's outreach and the sea-state conditions.
  • One participant suggests that the impact force is influenced by the motion of the crane due to the sea-state, raising questions about the effect of vessel motion on the lowering process.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of information regarding the physical properties of the objects involved, such as their hardness, which could affect the impact force calculation.
  • The original poster acknowledges the need for specialist knowledge and discusses the crane's response to sea-state in terms of heave, pitch, and roll, suggesting that these factors will influence the crane tip motion and thus the impact force.
  • There is a query about whether there are codes or approximations available to estimate crane tip motions in such conditions.
  • The original poster clarifies that the red object is stationary and not floating, indicating that the impact involves only the lowering object and the stationary object.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the calculation of impact force is complex and requires specific knowledge about the conditions and properties involved. However, there is no consensus on how to proceed with the calculations or what assumptions can be made.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in available information, such as the physical properties of the objects and the specific effects of sea-state on crane motion, which are crucial for accurate calculations.

Martin7919
Messages
12
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


I am a student and have a question:

For a small case study I have to determine the lateral and vertical impact loads during the installation of a object onto another object.
This is done by a cranevessel, using its dedicated lifting crane. However, I am not familiar with this type of installation though.

The case study is presented hereafter. A weight of approximately 65 tonnes is to be lowered with the crane onto the red marked object in a seastate of Hs = 0.5 m.
During the lowering, the crane boom outreach is 21 m from its rotation centerline and located 40 m away from the vessel centre of motion with its boom tip at a height of 60 m above the centre of motion.

case_study_jtevcl.png


How can I calculate the impact force as a result from lowering the object, weighing 65 tonnes, onto the stationary object (red object) which is fixed to the seabed.

Homework Equations


F = m x a

The Attempt at a Solution


m = 65 tonnes
a = ?
F = ?
 
Physics news on Phys.org
I suspect this question requires specialist knowledge rather than general physics knowledge..

In a calm sea, if the crane lowered the weight very slowly there would be very little impact force. However you mention a seastate hs = 0.5. Presumably this causes the boat carrying the crane to rock which raises and lowers the weight potentially increasing the impact velocity even if the crane is hardly moving? That would effect the impact forces but without knowledge about how the seastate effects the motion of the weight I can't see a way to proceed.

Is the red object floating? Does that also move up and down with the waves?

There is another problem. It's not possible to calculate the impact force between two colliding objects without knowing more about their physical properties. Are they very hard or very soft objects? For example if you fall over and bang your head on the ground the force you experience will depend on the hardness of the ground. Is it concrete or mud? They say you should never bang two hammers together because being very hard the forces at even low speeds can be very high causing the iron to shatter.

So from a general physics perspective I'm not sure you have sufficient information to answer the question. Perhaps there is data/assumptions that are specific to this industry you can use?
 
Hi CWatters,

Thanks for the reply! I know that some specialist knowledge is required. However, I do not have this at hand. I know that, in a sea-state, the vessel has a certain response to it in terms of heave, pitch, roll and yaw. Heave, pitch and roll around the center of motion will result in a certain crane tip motion as a result of its distance to that center of motion. Hence, the greater the outreach of the crane (i.e. the location of the crane tip), the greater the impact of the vessel motions on the acceleration of the crane tip. Since the object is connected, via rigging, to the crane tip, the object would see nearly identical accelerations in vertical direction I think. That is, if you consider that no cable pay-out at that time is taken into account. Otherwise, I would think, one should take into account this payout acceleration also, isn't it?

However, I do not know how to calculate or estimate the crane tip motions. Do you or anyone know if there is a certain code which allows you to do this by approximation?

To answer your question, the red object is not floating. Hence, there is no object to object impact (i.e. both objects moving to each other). So the red object is stationary and the 65 tonne weighing object is lowered to this stationary object.

Regards,
Martijn
 
Any idea on the above?
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
3K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
43K