Calculating Integrals with Antiderivatives

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The discussion revolves around calculating various integrals using the fundamental theorem of calculus by finding antiderivatives. The integrals in question involve functions and their derivatives, with specific conditions on the functions and their ranges.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes using the fundamental theorem of calculus to find antiderivatives for the integrals, specifically mentioning the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}$ and deriving that it equals $\ln \left (\frac{f(b)}{f(a)}\right )$.
  • Another participant agrees with the antiderivative for the integral $\int_a^bf'(x)f(x)dx$, which is derived as $\frac{1}{2}\left (f^2(b)-f^2(a)\right )$.
  • For the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, a participant suggests that if the integral were $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, an antiderivative could be $\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}$.
  • There is a discussion about using integration by parts for integrals lacking $f(x)$ in the numerator, with one participant suggesting that partial integration might be necessary.
  • Another participant introduces a substitution involving hyperbolic functions to evaluate the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, leading to the conclusion that the antiderivative is $\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(x) \right] + C$.
  • There are inquiries about the correctness of the proposed methods and whether the antiderivatives can be definitively stated for each case.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the methods for finding antiderivatives for some integrals, but there is uncertainty regarding the approach for others, particularly when $f(x)$ is not present in the numerator. The discussion remains unresolved on some points, particularly regarding the best methods for certain integrals.

Contextual Notes

Some integrals depend on specific conditions of the function $f(x)$, such as its range and differentiability. The discussion includes various approaches and substitutions that may not yield a single definitive solution for each integral.

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Hey! :o

Let $a, b \in \mathbb{R}$ with $a<b$ and $f\in C^1([a,b])$.

I want to calculate the following integrals using the fundamental theorem of calculus, by finding in each case an antiderivative.
  1. $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}$ with $0\notin f([a,b])$
  2. $\int_a^bf'(x)f(x)dx$
  3. $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$ with $f([a,b])\subseteq (1, \infty)$
  4. $\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{4}}\left (\frac{2}{\cos^2(x)}+4x\right )e^{\tan (x)+x^2}dx$
For the first two I have done the following:
  1. We have that $\left (\ln (f(x))\right )'=\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}$, so an antiderivative is $F(x)=\ln (f(x))$.

    So, we have that $$\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}=F(b)-F(a)=\ln (f(b))-\ln (f(a))=\ln \left (\frac{f(b)}{f(a)}\right )$$
  2. We have that $\left (f^2(x)\right )'=2f(x)f'(x) \Rightarrow f(x)f'(x)=\frac{1}{2}\left (f^2(x)\right )'$, so an antiderivatice is $F(x)=\frac{1}{2}f^2(x)$.

    So, we have that $$\int_a^bf'(x)f(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)=\frac{1}{2}\left (f^2(b)-f^2(a)\right )$$

Is everything correct? (Wondering) For 3. if we had the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, an antiderivative would be $\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}$.

What could we do know where don't have the term $f(x)$ in numerator? (Wondering) Could you give me a hint for 4. ? (Wondering)
 
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Hey mathmari! (Smile)

mathmari said:
For 3. if we had the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, an antiderivative would be $\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}$.

What could we do know where don't have the term $f(x)$ in numerator?

It's all correct.
I think that the best we can do without $f(x)$ in the numerator is to try partial integration.
It still means that $f(x)$ has to be somewhere outside of the square root though. (Thinking)

mathmari said:
Could you give me a hint for 4. ?

What's the derivative for the part with the exponential function? (Wondering)
 
I like Serena said:
I think that the best we can do without $f(x)$ in the numerator is to try partial integration.
It still means that $f(x)$ has to be somewhere outside of the square root though. (Thinking)

We have the following:
$$\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}}\right )'dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( (f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}\right )'dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( -\frac{1}{2}(f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}2f(x)f'(x)\right )dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b+\int_a^bf(x)(f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}f(x)f'(x)dx$$

Does this help us? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Let $a, b \in \mathbb{R}$ with $a<b$ and $f\in C^1([a,b])$.

I want to calculate the following integrals using the fundamental theorem of calculus, by finding in each case an antiderivative.
  1. $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}$ with $0\notin f([a,b])$
  2. $\int_a^bf'(x)f(x)dx$
  3. $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$ with $f([a,b])\subseteq (1, \infty)$
  4. $\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{4}}\left (\frac{2}{\cos^2(x)}+4x\right )e^{\tan (x)+x^2}dx$
For the first two I have done the following:
  1. We have that $\left (\ln (f(x))\right )'=\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}$, so an antiderivative is $F(x)=\ln (f(x))$.

    So, we have that $$\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)}{f(x)}=F(b)-F(a)=\ln (f(b))-\ln (f(a))=\ln \left (\frac{f(b)}{f(a)}\right )$$
  2. We have that $\left (f^2(x)\right )'=2f(x)f'(x) \Rightarrow f(x)f'(x)=\frac{1}{2}\left (f^2(x)\right )'$, so an antiderivatice is $F(x)=\frac{1}{2}f^2(x)$.

    So, we have that $$\int_a^bf'(x)f(x)dx=F(b)-F(a)=\frac{1}{2}\left (f^2(b)-f^2(a)\right )$$

Is everything correct? (Wondering) For 3. if we had the integral $\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx$, an antiderivative would be $\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}$.

What could we do know where don't have the term $f(x)$ in numerator? (Wondering) Could you give me a hint for 4. ? (Wondering)

3.

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_a^b{ \frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{\left[ f(x) \right] ^2 - 1}}\,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

Let $\displaystyle \begin{align*} f(x) = \cosh{(t)} \implies f'(x)\,\mathrm{d}x = \sinh{(t)}\,\mathrm{d}t \end{align*}$, nothing that when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = a, \, t = \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right] \end{align*}$ and when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = b, \, t = \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b) \right] \end{align*}$ to find

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_a^b{ \frac{f'(x)}{\sqrt{ \left[ f(x) \right] ^2 - 1 }}\,\mathrm{d}x } &= \int_{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right]}^{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b) \right] }{ \frac{\sinh{(t)}}{\sqrt{\cosh^2{(t)} - 1}} \,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \int_{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right]}^{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b) \right]}{ \frac{\sinh{(t)}}{\sinh{(t)}}\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \int_{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right] }^{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b)\right] }{ 1\,\mathrm{d}t } \\ &= \left[ t \right] _{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right] }^{\textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b) \right] } \\ &= \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(b) \right] - \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(a) \right] \end{align*}$4.

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} \int_0^{\frac{\pi}{4}}{ \left[ \frac{2}{\cos^2{(x)}} + 4\,x \right] \,\mathrm{e}^{ \tan{(x)} + x^2 }\,\mathrm{d}x } &= 2\int_0^{\frac{\pi}{4}}{ \left[ \frac{1}{\cos^2{(x)}} + 2\,x \right] \,\mathrm{e}^{\tan{(x)} + x^2} \,\mathrm{d}x } \end{align*}$

Let $\displaystyle \begin{align*} u = \tan{(x)} + x^2 \implies \mathrm{d}u = \left[ \frac{1}{\cos^2{(x)}} + 2\,x \right] \,\mathrm{d}x \end{align*}$ and note that when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = 0 , \, u = 0 \end{align*}$ and when $\displaystyle \begin{align*} x = \frac{\pi}{4} , \, u = 1 + \frac{\pi ^2}{16} \end{align*}$ to find

$\displaystyle \begin{align*} 2 \int_0^{ \frac{\pi}{4} }{ \left[ \frac{1}{\cos^2{(x)}} + 2\,x \right] \,\mathrm{e}^{\tan{(x)} + x^2} \,\mathrm{d}x } &= 2 \int_0^{ 1 + \frac{\pi ^2}{16} }{ \mathrm{e}^{u}\,\mathrm{d}u } \\ &= 2 \, \left[ \mathrm{e}^u \right]_0^{ 1 + \frac{\pi ^2}{16} } \\ &= 2\,\left[ \mathrm{e}^{ 1 + \frac{\pi^2}{16} } - \mathrm{e}^0 \right] \\ &= 2 \,\left[ \mathrm{e}^{ 1 + \frac{\pi ^2}{16} } - 1 \right] \end{align*}$
 
Ahh I see! (Nerd)

Now where we use the substitution, can we say which the antiderivative in each case is? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
Ahh I see! (Nerd)

Now where we use the substitution, can we say which the antiderivative in each case is? (Wondering)

Yes of course you can, but it is ALWAYS more concise to change the bounds when you do the substitution to avoid having to do this.

In 3. for example we ended up with t + C, and as we made the substitution $\displaystyle \begin{align*} f(x) = \cosh{(t)} \end{align*}$ that means $\displaystyle \begin{align*} t = \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(x) \right] \end{align*}$ and thus the antiderivative is $\displaystyle \begin{align*} \textrm{arcosh}\,\left[ f(x) \right] + C \end{align*}$.
 
mathmari said:
We have the following:
$$\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( \frac{1}{\sqrt{f^2(x)-1}}\right )'dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( (f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{1}{2}}\right )'dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b-\int_a^bf(x)\left ( -\frac{1}{2}(f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}2f(x)f'(x)\right )dx=\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}\mid_a^b+\int_a^bf(x)(f^2(x)-1)^{-\frac{3}{2}}f(x)f'(x)dx$$

Does this help us? (Wondering)

Not to solve this particular integral, but if we had to solve the integral that you've just found, we could use partial integration to bring it back to the original integral.

To actually solve the integral, we can do a substitution, which is effectively what you did:
$$\int_a^b\frac{f'(x)f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}dx
= \int_a^b\frac{f(x)}{\sqrt{f(x)^2-1}}df(x)
=\int_{f(a)}^{f(b)}\frac{u}{\sqrt{u^2-1}}du
$$
 

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