Calculating Kinetic and Potential Energy of a Falling Object

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The discussion revolves around calculating the kinetic and potential energy of a stone falling from a height of 155 meters, having fallen 43.6 meters with a given velocity of 29.2 m/s. Participants explore the relationship between kinetic and potential energy during the fall.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of potential energy to kinetic energy during the fall, questioning how to calculate both energies at different heights. There is an exploration of the correct procedures for determining height and velocity in the context of energy calculations.

Discussion Status

Participants have provided guidance on the calculations needed for potential and kinetic energy, noting that the two energies may not be equal at different points in the fall. There is acknowledgment of the relationship between the energies at the top and bottom of the fall, with some participants confirming their calculations and understanding of the concepts.

Contextual Notes

There is a mention of the mass of the stone being 0.115 kg and the height from which it falls being a key factor in the calculations. Participants are also considering the effects of changing velocity as the stone descends.

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If a stone sits at the edge of a 155m cliff and falls 43.6m with the velocity at that point of 29.2m/s , what is the kinetic and potential energy? Are they the same or diff?
 
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If I tell you that potential energy is "converted" into kinectic energy during fall. That at the edge of the cliff (155m) kinectic energy equals zero and potential energy is max. At the bottom of the cliff, kinectic energy is max wright before landing and potential is zero also before landing. Will that help solve your problem?

By the way:
Kinectic energy = [itex]1/2 * m * v^2[/itex]
Potential energy = [itex]m * g * h[/itex]

m - mass
g - gravity constant
h - height
 
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I forgot to add the mass of the stone is .115kg, but after it falls 43.6m the kinetic vs the potential is different right? U would minus the 43.6 from the 155 to get the height for the formula whereas u would use the velocity to get the kinetic ?
 
Coco12 said:
U would minus the 43.6 from the 155 to get the height for the formula whereas u would use the velocity to get the kinetic ?
That's the correct procedure. The two calculations might or might not produce the same number.
 
You are wright about the height. From there you can calculate the potential energy.
Watch out for velocity since it's different from inicial velocity. As the stone falls it gains velocity.

I should've add that if you compute the energy at the top you get the total energy of the system. Once the stone starts falling potential energy drops, kinetic energy raises. At the bottom kinetic energy equals potential energy at the top.

potential energy (top) = kinetic energy (bottom)

You'll probably need it: [itex]U_{system} = U_{potential} + U_{kinetic}[/itex]
U - energy
 
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haruspex said:
That's the correct procedure. The two calculations might or might not produce the same number.

Yea, I did the calculations and they are not the same, thanks
 
Quite so. In fact, there's a very easy way to get there. The KE must equal the PE lost in falling 43.6m; the remaining PE is for falling 155m-43.6m. Clearly the two will only be equal when it has fallen half way.
 
So ke would be 1/2 0.115kg * 29.2sqrt m/s?
 
Squared, not sqrt.
 
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Yes. Thank you.
 

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