Calculating Ksp from Molar Solubilty

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The discussion revolves around calculating the solubility product constant (Ksp) for magnesium fluoride (MgF2) based on its molar solubility in water. Participants explore the relationship between molar solubility and Ksp, addressing stoichiometry and the correct formulation of the Ksp expression.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the molar solubility of MgF2 is 1 x 10-3 and initially calculates Ksp as 1 x 10-9 using the equation Ksp = [Mg2+][F-][F-].
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of stoichiometry in the dissolution reaction, noting that the reaction produces one magnesium ion and two fluoride ions.
  • Participants discuss the need to account for the stoichiometric coefficients when calculating concentrations, leading to a revised fluoride ion concentration of 2 x 10-3.
  • There is confusion regarding whether to square the concentration of fluoride ions in the Ksp expression, with one participant questioning the rationale behind squaring [F-].
  • Another participant clarifies that Ksp should be written as Ksp = [Mg2+][F-]2, leading to a calculation of 4 x 10-9.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the underlying reasons for the mathematical relationships in the Ksp expression, with some indicating a desire for deeper understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the reasoning behind the Ksp formulation, with ongoing questions about the necessity of squaring the fluoride concentration. Multiple competing views on the interpretation of stoichiometry and Ksp calculations remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the relationship between reaction coefficients and the Ksp expression, as well as the implications of stoichiometry in concentration calculations.

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Students studying chemistry, particularly those focusing on solubility product constants and stoichiometry in chemical reactions.

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Homework Statement


The molar solubility of magnesium fluoride, MgF2 is 1 x 10-3 in pure water. What is the Ksp for MgF2?

a)4 x 10-3
b)4 x 10-6
c)4 x 10-9
d)2 x 10-3
e)1 x 10-3

My book says the correct answer is C in bold.

Homework Equations


Ksp= [Mg2+][F-][F-]


The Attempt at a Solution



Ksp= [Mg2+][F-][F-]=[1 x 10-3][1 x 10-3][1 x 10-3]=

1 x 10-9



I think this should be the correct answer. For some reason the book multiplies by four. It says:

"The relationship between the solubility product constant and molar solubility for a compound that produces 3 moles of ions for every mole of solid dissolved is as follows:

Ksp=4x3= 4(1 x 10-3)3= 4 x 10-9 "

I don't understand why to multiply by four.
 
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Write dissolution reaction and think about stoichiometry.
 
MgF2 (s) ----> Mg2+ + 2F-

There is 1 x 10-3 moles/liter of each ion. What did I do wrong? :(
 
JeweliaHeart said:
MgF2 (s) ----> Mg2+ + 2F-

There is 1 x 10-3 moles/liter of each ion.

That would mean exactly the same number of fluoride and magnesium ions. Take a look at the reaction equation - are they produced in 1:1 ratio?
 
Oh, I think I see. So I shouldn't have divided up the fluoride ions into individual concentrations:

The total fluoride ion concentration is 2 x (1 x 10-3)= 2 x 10-3

So, the Ksp= [Mg2+][F-]

[1 x 10-3][(2 x 10-3]= 2 x 10-6
 
...Oops I forgot to include, but that's not an answer choice.
 
Compare your two posts:

JeweliaHeart said:
Ksp= [Mg2+][F-][F-]

JeweliaHeart said:
Ksp= [Mg2+][F-]
 
The only way I could see arriving at an answer of 4 x 10-9 is by squaring (2 x 10-3) before multiplying it by (1 x 10-3), which would mean that the concentration of [F-] is squared.

It doesn't make sense to me square the concentration of F-. If there are two moles of F- ions, per MgF2, why not just multiply 2 times the [MgF2] to get [F-].

Where does [F-]2 come into all this or am I not supposed to square it at all?
 
That puts us several squares back. What is Ksp and how is it written for a XaYb type salt?

Or perhaps I should ask more general question - do you know what the reaction quotient is? Ksp is a just a specific case.
 
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Yes. I know about both solubility product constants and equilibrium constants.

I guess what's happening here is something I've been trying to avoid all along: understanding why reaction orders match the coefficients in a balanced chemical equation. I've kind of just accepted it without really knowing why. I've heard that it has something to do with number of collisions or something like that, but I've never really gotten into depth.
 
  • #11
No, you don't have to dig into kinetics, it is enough that you learn the definition of the reaction quotient.

(Actually reaction quotient can be easily derived from the thermodynamics, but it is still not necessary, definition is perfectly enough).
 
  • #12
Borek, why do I have to square the concentration of [F-] once I've already multiplied it by two to account for the double F- ions?
 
  • #13
There is no "why" here, simply apply the definition. Concentration calculation is one thing, properly written Ksp is another.
 
  • #14
Ksp = [Mg2+][F-]2=

[1 x 10-3][2 x 10-3]2= 4 x 10-9


Okay, thanks... I understand how to write a Ksp, just not why it is written as such, but oh well...
 

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