Calculating Lifetimes in a Three-Level System with Einstein A & B Coefficients?

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The discussion revolves around calculating lifetimes in a three-level atomic system using Einstein A and B coefficients. Participants express confusion regarding the presence of light and its relevance to stimulated emission and absorption in the context of lifetime calculations. It is clarified that lifetimes are defined using only the Einstein A coefficients, allowing for simplification of the equations governing the system. The dominant exponential decay terms are used to determine lifetimes, leading to the conclusion that the relationship between lifetimes of different states can be expressed simply. Overall, the conversation emphasizes the importance of focusing on the appropriate coefficients for accurate lifetime definitions.
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Very confused by this problem. For one thing, it doesn't specify if there is or isn't any light present to drive the stimulated emission/absorbtion. I guess there's no reason to assume that there is no light - but since the question is asking about lifetimes, that would seem more sensible...[plus introducing an unspecified ##\rho(\omega_{0})## seems odd]

Assuming there is no light involved, then this is just a three level system, with three sets of coupled differential equations describing the behaviour - let ##N_{i}## be the number of atoms in state ##i##:
(1) $$ \frac{dN_{A}}{dt} = -(A_{ac}+A_{ab})N_{A} $$
(2) $$ \frac{dN_{B}}{dt} = A_{ab}(N_{A} -N_{B}) $$
(3) $$ \frac{dN_{C}}{dt} = A_{ac}N_{A}+A_{bc}N_{B} $$
[Though,one of them is made redundant by the fact that total particle number must be constant.]

We can easily solve the first equation:
$$ N_{A} = N_{A0}exp\bigg[ - (A_{ac}+A_{ab})t) \bigg] $$
By substituting this into the equation (2), we can then solve for ##N_{B}##:

$$ \frac{dN_{B}}{dt} +N_{B}A_{ab} = A_{ab}N_{A0}exp\bigg[ - (A_{ac}+A_{ab})t) \bigg] $$

So by using the standard method of integrating factors:
$$ N_{B} = Cexp(-A_{ab}t)-\frac{A_{ab}}{A_{ac}}N_{A0}exp(-A_{ac}+A_{ab}t) $$
But how am I meant to define a lifetime for that?, Assuming ##N_{B}(t=0)=0##, i.e:
$$ N_{B} =\frac{A_{ab}}{A_{ac}}N_{A0}exp(-A_{ab}t)\bigg[1-exp(-A_{ac}t)\bigg]$$
Do we take the dominant exponential to define the lifetime?
 
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You are only told to consider the decays a-c and b-c.
The presence of photons is not relevant to the lifetime calculation for a state ... check the definition of "lifetime" in your notes.
 
Simon Bridge said:
You are only told to consider the decays a-c and b-c.
The presence of photons is not relevant to the lifetime calculation for a state ... check the definition of "lifetime" in your notes.

Ah,okay, so lifetimes are generally defined to only involve the Einstein ##A## coefficients.
So I can just ignore completely ##\psi_{A} \rightarrow \psi_{B}##? I wasn't sure the question implied that... I guess if it does:

$$ \frac{dN_{A}}{dt} = -A_{ac}N_{A} $$
$$ \frac{dN_{B}}{dt} = -A_{bc} N_{B} $$

Implying that ## \lambda_{a} = A_{ac}## ##\lambda_{b} = A_{bc}##. We know that ## \frac{1}{\tau} = \lambda## where ##\tau ## is the lifetime, so:
$$ \frac{\tau_{A}}{\tau_{C}} = 2 $$

and then the information about the matrix element is completely redundant? It's that simple??
[Edit : I mean, it tells us the same thing]
Thanks!
 
Well done.
 
Oh dear, that's embarrassing.. Ah well, many thanks for the help, much appreciated!
 

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