Finding the normal modes for a oscillating system

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a system of two blocks with different masses connected by springs, where the goal is to find the normal modes of oscillation. The setup includes two springs with a spring constant of k and a middle spring with a spring constant of 4k, while ignoring friction and air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the use of the Lagrangian method versus force methods for solving the problem. The original poster attempts to guess solutions for normal modes but encounters difficulties with eigenvalues and eigenvectors. Others suggest that the force method might yield similar results.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing different methods and expressing uncertainty about the eigenvalues and mode shapes. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of the Lagrangian, but no consensus has been reached on the best approach.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of specific ratios related to the masses and the matrices involved, which may influence the approach taken. The original poster expresses frustration with the complexity of finding eigenvectors and the effectiveness of their attempts.

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Homework Statement


The system is conformed by two blocks with masses m (on the left) and M (on the right), and two springs on the left/right has the spring constant of k. The middle spring has a spring constant of 4k. Friction and air resistance can be ignored. All springs are massless.
Find the normal modes.
Diagram:
|~m~~~~M~|

Homework Equations


##L = T-V ##[/B]
##T = \frac{1}{2}(m\dot{x}_1^2 + M\dot{x}_2^2) ##
##V = \frac{1}{2}[(x_1^2 + x_2^2) + 4(x_1-x_2)^2]##
##\frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{x_k}} - \frac{d}{dt} \frac{\partial{L}}{\partial{\dot{x_k}}} = 0##
##[A_{ij} - \omega^2 m_{ij}]=0##

The Attempt at a Solution


I have tried to guess a solution for the normal modes but of the for ##\eta_1 = x_1 - x_2 ## and ##\eta_2= x_1+x_2## but I does not works. I have tried to add some arbitrary coefficient to ##\eta_1## & ## \eta_2## unsuccessfully. Trying to find the eigenvectors is a pain in the neck since the eigenfrequencies are:##\omega^2 = \frac{5k(M+m) \pm k\sqrt{25(M^2+m^2) -14Mm}}{2Mm}##.
I read in a textbook that one could find the coefficient for the etas by knowing that the ratios ##\frac{M_{11}}{M_{22}}=\frac{A_{11}}{A_{22}}=\alpha^2## but for this case the first ratio is ##\frac{m}{M}## and the second is 1 .Therefore, this method doesn't help me :/.

I would appreciate any contribution. Thank you.
 
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Do you have to solve this problem using the Lagrangian?
 
The Lagragian is not necessary, but is the only method I know. I believe that if I use forces the problem would complicate more.
 
I think the force method is easier but the results are the same.

I get a slightly different answer for the Eigen values but even then I think you could probably simplify it a little bit:
ω2 = k(1/M+1/m) [5/2± √(25/4+16/(M/m+m/M+2))]

I am not aware of any other method except plugging the Eigen values into the equations of motion and solving for the mode shapes.
 
Duplicate post.
 

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