Calculating Min Δv for a Comet to Intersect Earth's Orbit

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The problem involves a comet in a circular orbit around the Sun, with a focus on calculating the minimum change in velocity (Δv) required for the comet to intersect Earth's orbit after a collision that reduces its speed. The context is rooted in orbital mechanics and energy conservation principles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the relevance of energy and angular momentum in solving the problem. There is uncertainty about how to apply these concepts effectively, with one participant suggesting the use of the ellipse equation for energy. Others inquire about the application of conservation laws and express a need for further clarification on the derivation of the Δv expressions.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking guidance on how to approach the problem using conservation principles. Some have provided references to related concepts, but there is no consensus on a specific method or solution yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the challenge of deriving the Δv expressions and the need for more detailed work to identify errors in reasoning. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in applying conservation laws to this scenario.

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Homework Statement



A comet in a circular orbit around the Sun has speed v0 and radius r0 = aRE ,
where RE is the radius of the Earth’s orbit and α is a constant > 1. The comet has its
velocity reduced by Δv in a collision that does not change its initial direction. Show
that the minimum value of Δv required to move the comet into an orbit which intersects
the Earth’s orbit is given by

delta v min = vo[1- root(2/(1+a))]

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The Attempt at a Solution



Not sure what the neatest way to proceed is?

Im guessing we look at energy and angular momentum..

after the collision, total energy is 1/2 m(vo - delta v)^2 - PE (which is unchanged)..

But when i put this into the Ellipse equation for energy i.e. E = 1/2m(dr/dt)^2 + J^2/... etc

and set dr/dt = 0 and J = mRe(vo-deltav)..i get everything cancelling out and leaving vo^2 = GM/Re..

not sure what I am meant to do basically!
 
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Mindscrape said:
Classic Hohmann transfer orbit. You're trying to get what's known as the vis-visa orbit. Here's an example that will help, but not give you the answer. :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohmann_transfer_orbit

Thanks..this was useful - but it lacked a derivation of the delta v expressions...

how can i work this out using conservation of energy and momentum?

Thanks
 
Right, that's the question, how can you work that out using conservation laws? :p

I hate to be so hard up for information, but maybe you could post some more work so I could tell you where you went wrong.
 

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