Calculating Nuclear Spin: Oxygen-17

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The discussion revolves around calculating the nuclear spin (j) of the Oxygen-17 isotope, focusing on the contributions of protons and neutrons to angular momentum. Participants explore the values of orbital angular momentum (l) and spin (s) for nucleons, as well as the implications of pairing in nucleons for determining total angular momentum.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Exploratory

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the values of l for protons and neutrons, questioning how to determine j based on these values. There is confusion regarding the contributions of paired nucleons to total angular momentum and the implications of parity on the calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants clarifying definitions and values related to nuclear spin. Some guidance has been provided regarding the contributions of nucleons to j, and there is an exploration of how even numbers of neutrons affect overall spin. However, there is no explicit consensus on all aspects of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note confusion stemming from lecture materials and external sources, indicating a need for clearer definitions and explanations regarding nuclear spin and angular momentum calculations.

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Oxygen 17, work out j (nuclear spin)Hi. Assume oxygen 17 atom. j is supposed to be 5/2. How does one work this out? from what i gather, l for protons is 1, and l for neutrons is 2. How does one work out j, and what would s be?

Partly what I'm confused about is for the protons l=1 but neutron l=2? what l do you use?

Thanks :devil:

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This is for the nucleus by the way. 8 protons and 9 neutrons

The Attempt at a Solution

 
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l doesn't have to be either 1 or 2. Rather, for all nucleons l can range, in increments of 2, from 0 to n for even n and 1 to n for odd n. For example, for n=5 l can be 1, 3, or 5.

However, what you really want is j=l+s. For this question, all of the protons pair off, so they contribute no angular momentum. All but one of the neutrons pair off, and the remaining neutron determines the angular momentum of the whole nucleus. So, what is j for that neutron?
 
Parity= (-1) ^l

l=2, to parity=+.

s=5/2 for the neutron.

so is this is the spin? what is j?

as parity =+ then j=2+(5/2)?= 9/2?

I'm sure that's not right...

if anyone can tell me what I'm doing wrong it'd be massively (unlike a photon) appreciated! I know this is a very easy question, it's just that other links such as wikipedia are confusing the hell out of me.

thanks for the reply :)
 
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j is the total angular momentum, or "nuclear spin".

Where did you get that s=5/2 for the neutron? It's not; both the proton and the neutron has a spin of 1/2. Besides that, you have the right answer.
 
Now it makes sense, thanks a lot. My lecture notes are slightly confusing.

There's just one thing I don't get:

Let's add a neutron: 18O. On Wikipedia, it says the spin is 0.

Once again, parity = +1. The additional spin is another +1/2.

Now, using the formula j=l+s, =2+1=3.

BUT, am I correct in thinking that because there's an even number of neutrons, they contribute no spin?

Thanks once again!
 
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Yes, you're correct. Any nucleus with an even number of protons and even number of neutrons has no spin.
 

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