Calculating Partial Derivative of Log(x^2+y^2) w/r/t x

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The discussion focuses on calculating the partial derivative of the function log(x² + y²) with respect to x. The correct expression for the first derivative is confirmed as ∂/∂x log(x² + y²) = (2x)/(x² + y²) * log₁₀(e). The participants also explore the second derivative, ultimately concluding that ∂²/∂x²(log(x² + y²)) simplifies to -1.72x²/(x² + y²)² + 0.86/(x² + y²). The conversation emphasizes the relationship between the derivatives and their role in demonstrating harmonic functions using the Laplacian.

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I'm trying to get

\frac{\partial}{\partial x} log(x^{2} + y^{2})

let z = x2+y2

Do I need to do a change of base to go from log10z to logez before I can do the partial w.r.t. x?

That would make it

\frac{\partial}{\partial x} log(x^{2} + y^{2}) = \frac{1}{x^{2}+y^{2}} \ (2x) \ (log_{10}e)

Does this look right?

Then

\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}}(log(x^{2}+y^{2})) = - \frac{1.72x^{2}}{(x^{2} + y^{2})^{2}} + 0.86(x^{2}+y^{2})

?? that doesn't look right.
 
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Somefantastik said:
Do I need to do a change of base to go from log10z to logez before I can do the partial w.r.t. x?

That would make it

\frac{\partial}{\partial x} log(x^{2} + y^{2}) = \frac{1}{x^{2}+y^{2}} \ (2x) \ (log_{10}e)

Hi Somefantastik! :smile:

Yes, that's fine …

logab = \frac{log_eb}{log_a}

and of course logab = 1/logba :wink:
\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}}(log(x^{2}+y^{2})) = - \frac{1.72x^{2}}{(x^{2} + y^{2})^{2}} + 0.86(x^{2}+y^{2})

?? that doesn't look right.

ha ha!

how about \frac{0.86}{(x^{2}+y^{2})} ? :smile:
(and then of course combine both fractions into one)
 
Hello tiny-tim, from the sunny south [usa] :)

That gives -0.86 /(x2 + y2)

It just seems like a weird number to me.

That's going to be the same number for the partial with respect to y, isn't it?

They should cancel out; I'm trying to show that this is a harmonic using the laplacian.
 
Hi Somefantastik! :smile:
Somefantastik said:
That's going to be the same number for the partial with respect to y, isn't it?

They should cancel out; I'm trying to show that this is a harmonic using the laplacian.

Yup …

\left(\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}}\ +\ \frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial y^{2}}\right)(log(x^{2}+y^{2})) = - \frac{1.72(x^{2}\,+\,y^2)}{(x^{2} + y^{2})^{2}}\ +\ 0.86/(x^{2}+y^{2})\ +\ + 0.86/(x^{2}+y^{2})\ =\ 0\ :wink:
 
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