Calculating Particle Distance from Density and Number

  • Thread starter Thread starter TFM
  • Start date Start date
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the distance between particles based on their density and number. The original poster seeks guidance on how to derive this distance using known values of density and particle count.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between particle density and volume occupied by individual particles. There is discussion on calculating the volume of a sphere representing the space around each particle and determining the radius from that volume. Questions arise regarding whether to adjust the calculated distance by subtracting the radius of a hydrogen atom.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, providing calculations and questioning assumptions about the relevance of atomic radii in the context of the problem. There is a mix of interpretations regarding how to present the final answer, with some suggesting to include both raw and adjusted distances.

Contextual Notes

The original poster has not provided the complete problem statement, which may limit the context for the calculations being discussed. There is also mention of comparing distances to atomic scales, which may influence the interpretation of results.

TFM
Messages
1,016
Reaction score
0
[SOLVED] Desnity and Distibution

Homework Statement



I need to calculate the distance between particles. I know the density, and I know how many particles there are, but I am not sure how to calculate the distance between them.

Homework Equations



Not Sure

The Attempt at a Solution



Any advice would be greatly appreciated,

TFM
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Hi TFM,

Could you please post the full question verbatim, as it is in your textbook/homework sheet.
 
Assume that the sun is made of pure Hydrogen, and take the Hydrogen mass ass being 1.67x10^-27 kg. If the mean mass density of the sun is 1400 kg/m^3, what is the mean number density.

I have calculated this to be 8.4 x 10^29 atoms per cubic meter

hence estimate the typical inter-particle distance

TFM
 
So you know that in one meter there is 8.4 x 10^29 hydrogen atoms. So what volume does each atom occupy? Next, assume that each hydrogen atom is a particle at the centre of a sphere.
 
Last edited:
Each Hydrogen Atom will occupy a volume of [tex]\frac{1}{8.4X10^{29}}[/tex] which is [tex]1.19 x 10^{-30}[/tex] metres cubed

TFM
 
TFM said:
Each Hydrogen Atom will occupy a volume of [tex]\frac{1}{8.4X10^{29}}[/tex] which is [tex]1.19 x 10^{-30}[/tex] metres cubed

TFM
Correct, so what is the radius of the sphere with such a volume?
 
Volume of a sphere: [tex]Vol = \frac{4}{3}\pi r^{3}[/tex]

So [tex]1.19x10^{-30} = \frac{4}{3} \pi r^{3}[/tex]

so the radius is [tex]r = \sqrt[3]{\frac{3*Vol}{4* \pi }}[/tex]

Giving the radius: [tex]\sqrt[3]{2.84*10^{-31}}[/tex] = 6.57*10^-11 metres Cubed

TFM
 
TFM said:
Volume of a sphere: [tex]Vol = \frac{4}{3}\pi r^{3}[/tex]

So [tex]1.19x10^{-30} = \frac{4}{3} \pi r^{3}[/tex]

so the radius is [tex]r = \sqrt[3]{\frac{3*Vol}{4* \pi }}[/tex]

Giving the radius: [tex]\sqrt[3]{2.84*10^{-31}}[/tex] = 6.57*10^-11 metres Cubed

TFM
Spot on, but watch your units :wink:
 
Do I now just have to take away the radius of a Hydrogen Atom?

TFM
 
  • #10
TFM said:
Do I now just have to take away the radius of a Hydrogen Atom?

TFM
Personally, I would have left the answer as it is since once you get down to such small distances the concept of classical radii doesn't really apply. However, you could put both answers to be safe, it depends very much on what your tutor wants.
 
Last edited:
  • #11
Well, the question then asks you to compareit to the radius of a Hydrogen Atom and a Hydrogen Nuclei.

TFM
 
  • #12
TFM said:
Well, the question then asks you to compareit to the radius of a Hydrogen Atom and a Hydrogen Nuclei.

TFM
Then I definitely would subtract the hydrogen radius from your answer.
 
  • #13
Thanks foy all your assistance, Hootenanny :smile:

TFM
 
  • #14
TFM said:
Thanks foy all your assistance, Hootenanny :smile:

TFM
It was a pleasure TFM :smile:
 
  • #15
Is the typical distance between 2 atoms not twice the radius of this sphere? First from one atom to where the spheres meet, then to the other atom.
 
  • #16
kamerling said:
Is the typical distance between 2 atoms not twice the radius of this sphere? First from one atom to where the spheres meet, then to the other atom.
Indeed it is, I assumed that TFM would have realized that.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 16 ·
Replies
16
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
6K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
1K
  • · Replies 5 ·
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
16
Views
2K