Calculating Poles and Residues of a Z Transform by Hand

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The discussion revolves around calculating the poles and residues of a given Z-transform, specifically X(z) = z^{-1} / (1 - 2z^{-1} + 2z^{-2}). Participants are exploring the steps necessary to find these poles and residues by hand.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss converting the Z-transform to a form with positive powers of z and identifying poles using the quadratic formula. There are questions about the factorization of the denominator and the implications of substituting pole values into the residue formula.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on how to factor the denominator and evaluate residues, while others are clarifying their understanding of the algebra involved. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct application of residue calculations and the handling of potential typos in mathematical expressions.

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Participants are working within the constraints of homework rules, which may limit the information they can share or the methods they can use. There is also a mention of confusion regarding the variable k in the context of residues.

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Homework Statement


Consider the following Z tranform
[itex]X(z)=\frac{z^{-1}}{1-2z^{-1}+2z^{-2}}[/itex]

Calculate the poles and resides by hand.

Homework Equations


To find residue at pole p1

[itex](z-p_{1})X(z)z^{k-1}[/itex] Evaluate at [itex]z=p_{1}[/itex]


The Attempt at a Solution




OK so I've taken the X(z) and converted to positive power of z by multiplying by z^2/z^2

I get [itex]X(z)=\frac{z}{z^{2}+2z+2}[/itex]
I know there is 1 zero at z=o.

For the poles I've used the quadratic equation on the denominator. I come up with
$$p1=\frac{-2\pm\sqrt{-4}}{2} p2=\frac{-2 \pm\ 2j}{2}$$

simplifys to
$$p1=-1-1j$$
$$p2=-1+1j$$


Ok so I am stuck on finding the residues.

The way I see using the above formula I end up with a 0 in the denominator. I know this incorrect. Am I missing some sort of simplification before i evaluate at z=p?

If I take [itex]z^{2}+2z+2[/itex] and substitute [itex]z=-1-1j[/itex] I get 0.

When I use the equation

[itex](z-p_{1})X(z)z^{k-1}[/itex] Evaluate at [itex]z=p_{1}[/itex]

and substitute z with p1 that first term in the parenthesis = o. (p1-p1)=0.

Should something cancel out before i evaluate z=p1so I don't get the 0 in the numerator or denominator? If so I don't see it. I've played with the numbers and moved them around for a couple of days now and I juts don't see it. It doesn't look complicated to me but it never comes out not 0.

any help is appreciated! Thanks!
 
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Hey Evo8! :smile:

The denominator of X(z) can and should be factorized into (z-p1)(z-p2).
Then by multiplying X(z) with (z-p1) that factor cancels after which you can calculate the residu.
 
Hi I like Serena!

I guess I don't see how it factors out to that then. This is what I would have assumed should be done. I was just under the impression that the denominator does not factor out that way.

When I take (z-p1)(z-p2) and expand this is what I get
$$z^{2}=p_{2}z-p_{1}+p_{1}p_{2}$$

My expanded set of terms is
$$z^{2}+2z+2$$ or $$1-2z^{-1}+2z^{-2}$$

I will google basic factoring and see if I can't figure out what I am missing here. P.s. If you thought my algebra was already sub par, factoring was my LEAST favorite part of algebra ha!
 
You solved for the denominator being zero and found p1 and p2.
This means that the denominator factorizes into (z-p1)(z-p2).
The typical verification is by expanding it again and check you get your original denominator.

I'm afraid you did not expand it correctly.
The proper expansion of (z-p1)(z-p2) is ##z^2 -p_1 z -p_2 z + p_1 p_2##.
When you work that out, you should get ##z^{2}+2z+2##.
(Do you?)

Anyway, if you multiply (z-p1) with ##X(z) = {z \over (z-p_1)(z-p_2)}##, you should get ##z \over (z-p_2)##, which is what you need to evaluate.
 
I must have typed the expansion incorrectly. When I look at what I wrote down I have what you put. I don't even know how I got that = sign up there:confused:. Anyway thanks for pointing that out.

This makes a little more sense now. So I can literally plug my two poles into the (z-p1)(z-p2)? Now where getting somewhere. I knew it had to be something small that I was forgetting.

Thanks for the help! Hopefully I will be able to continue without issue!
 
Oh, the = sign is on the same key as the +, and it's next to the -.
It's a pretty standard typo, it even looks a little bit like a minus sign.
I didn't really think you put the = sign there intentionally. ;)
 
Ok so after evaluating at expression I am left with this for the residue at p1.
$$
\frac{(-1-1j)(-1-1j)^{k-1}}{(-1-1j)-(-1+1j)}
$$

What is the k? In my book all it says is that there is a dependence on k which is clear here. The example given also uses variable and constants for everything so the result is in terms of k.

Thanks for any hints/help
 
Looks good!

I think you have the inverse z-tranform there, that is, ##x[k]=\mathcal{Z}^{-1}\{X(z)\}##.
 
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sorry for the delayed response! Thanks so much for your help on this one I like Serena!

Much appreciated as always
 
  • #10
I've looked it up.

The "residue" of a simple pole p1 is (z-p1)X(z) evaluated at z=p1.

The inverse z-transform is the sum of both (z-p1)X(z)z^{-k} evaluated at z=p1 and (z-p2)X(z)z^{-k} evaluated at z=p2, yielding x[k].
 
  • #11
That looks right to me. I sometimes end up with repeated poles so my p1 and p2 are the same. So for the first term i get a 0 which brings everything down to 0. I always forget to manipulate and cancel out though. This is where I got lost. This example I was able to complete I believe.

Thanks for posting that up!
 
  • #12
Thanks for posting that up!
:)

In this example you only have simple poles.
Simple poles (typically) only have one factor (z-p1) in the denominator of X(z).

If you have for instance (z-p1)^2 in the denominator, which is what you seem to refer to, you need a more advanced formula.
 
  • #13
Indeed. That is exactly the form that where I used the mixed poles method and got hung up. :)
 
  • #14
Okay. ;)As you can see in the wikipedia article, a simple pole has residue:
969f2ce4cb6868464466832c12d79cc6.png

This is what you've been working with.A pole of order n (in your example you would have n=2) has residue:
fc16ae96cdbc7aea1023462e07d19753.png
More specifically, if you have (z-p1)^2 in the denominator, your residue is:
##{d \over dz}((z-p_1)^2 X(z))## evaluated at z=p1.
 

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