Calculating potential energy of electric dipole in uniform field

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The discussion focuses on deriving the potential energy of an electric dipole in a uniform electric field, leading to the equation U = -pEcosθ, where E is the field's magnitude, p is the dipole moment, and θ is the angle between the field and the dipole. An alternative method is proposed, calculating the work done on the charges as they move from an angled position to equilibrium, which yields a similar relationship but includes a linear offset of Ep. This offset arises from different definitions of zero potential energy in the two approaches, with one defining it at equilibrium and the other at a perpendicular position to the field. The validity of this alternative approach is confirmed, emphasizing that the discrepancy is merely a matter of shifting the reference point for potential energy. The conversation highlights the nuances in calculating potential energy in physics and the importance of consistent reference definitions.
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This page contains one derivation for the potential energy:

http://www.shef.ac.uk/physics/teaching/phy205/lecture_4.htm"

Result: U=-pEcos\theta

where
E = magnetic field's magnitude
P = dipole moment = d*Q
d= distance between + and - charge
Q= charges' magnitude
\theta = angle between the field and the straight line connecting the + and - charges

But, shouldn't it also be possible to derive the dipole's potential energy in another way?

The definition of electric potential energy is:

\DeltaU1->2=-W1->2
where W=work done by electric field.

So, can't one take the 2 charges as separate (connected by a massless, chargeless rod), and then calculate the work done on them by the field while moving from the angled position to equilibrium?

This should then be equal to the initial potential energy (in the angled position).

Attached is an illustration.

Calculating for the positive charge gives:

Forceelectric*distance=E*q*\Deltax
Forceelectric*distance=E*q*(d/2 - d/2*cos(\theta)
\DeltaUq+=-E(d/2)(1-cos\theta)

Adding the changes for both charges gives:

\DeltaU0->theta=Ep(1-cos(\theta)).

This gives me the same relationship, except that (which is frustrating me somewhat) there is a linear offset of (1)Ep.

My question is: the approach is valid, correct? I am not going crazy?

If that is the case, then it is just a matter of adding a linear shift to come to the same zero potential, correct?

-frustrated at physics
 

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I derived it by integrating the torque between theta=o and theta and got the same result...

Any ideas anyone?
 
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So, can't one take the 2 charges as separate (connected by a massless, chargeless rod), and then calculate the work done on them by the field while moving from the angled position to equilibrium?

The offset is due to the fact that you are integrating to equilibrium, which is defining U = 0 to be when p is antiparallel with the field. On the other hand, the link defines U = 0 to be where p is parallel to an equipotential and thus perpendicular to the field.
 

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