Calculating Probabilities of Mutually Exclusive Events in Infinite Series

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities of mutually exclusive events within the context of an infinite series. Participants explore the summation of probabilities related to events E and F, particularly focusing on the correct application of geometric series identities and the implications of their definitions.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a summation involving probabilities and expresses confusion about the correct application of the geometric series identity, specifically in relation to the terms involved.
  • Another participant questions the definition of "P" in the context of the summation and suggests changing the summation index to clarify the expression.
  • A third participant clarifies that the term P(1-p) represents the probability that neither event E nor event F has occurred yet, reinforcing the understanding that p equals the sum of the probabilities of E and F due to their mutual exclusivity.
  • A later reply acknowledges an arithmetic mistake in the calculations and expresses gratitude for the clarification, highlighting the importance of attention to detail in problem-solving.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the summation and the definitions of the terms involved. There are multiple competing views regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of the probabilities and the conditions under which the geometric series identity applies remain unresolved. The discussion does not clarify the exact nature of the terms used in the summation.

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I'm having trouble picking apart this summation:

[tex]\sum[/tex][tex]^{inf}_{n=1}[/tex] P(E)*P(1-p)[tex]^{n-1}[/tex]; where p = P(E) + P(F)

I know I need to use the identity of a geometrical series when |r| < 1 : 1/(1-r)

I'm getting [tex]P(E)/(1-(P(E)+P(F))[/tex]

But I need to be getting P(E)/((P(E)+P(F));

The entire problem is

Let E & F be mutually exclusive events in the sample space of an experiment. Suppose that the exp is repeated until either event E or F occurs. What does the sample space of hte new super experiment look like? Show that the probability of event E before event F is P(E)/(P(E)+P(F)).
 
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Somefantastik said:
I'm having trouble picking apart this summation:

[tex]\sum[/tex][tex]^{inf}_{n=1}[/tex] P(E)*P(1-p)[tex]^{n-1}[/tex]; where p = P(E) + P(F)
That's a bit confusing. If p= P(E)- P(F), then what is just P by itself? Asuming your terms are just A(1-p)n-1, then I would be inclined to first change the summation index: let i= n-1 so this becomes
[tex\\sum_{i=0}^\infty A(1-p)^i[/tex]
That sum is, of course,
[tex]\frac{A}{1- (1-p)}= \frac{A}{p}= \frac{P(E)*P}{P(E)+ P(F)}[/tex]
because 1-(1-p)= p. I can't say more because I am still not sure what "P" is.

I know I need to use the identity of a geometrical series when |r| < 1 : 1/(1-r)

I'm getting [tex]P(E)/(1-(P(E)+P(F))[/tex]

But I need to be getting P(E)/((P(E)+P(F));

The entire problem is

Let E & F be mutually exclusive events in the sample space of an experiment. Suppose that the exp is repeated until either event E or F occurs. What does the sample space of hte new super experiment look like? Show that the probability of event E before event F is P(E)/(P(E)+P(F)).
 
Its a probability question, so P(1-p) is just the probability that p has not occurred yet, where p = P(E U F). Since E,F are mutually exclusive, can say p = P(E) + P(F).
 
But you pretty much answered my question...naturally it was a mistake in arithmetic. Thanks for helping me with that...sometimes one gets so wrapped up in the global outcome of the problem and loses track of the little details.
 

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