Calculating Probability for Random Variables with Two Dice

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The discussion revolves around calculating probabilities associated with random variables defined on the outcomes of rolling two six-sided dice. Participants explore the probability space and the implications of different random variable definitions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for guidance on calculating the probability $P(X_i=7)$ for various definitions of random variables $X_1$, $X_2$, and $X_3$.
  • Another participant suggests that to find $P(X_1=7)$, one should count the outcomes where $a+b=7$ and divide by the total number of outcomes, leading to an initial calculation of $\frac{1}{18}$.
  • A subsequent reply questions the initial count of outcomes for $a+b=7$, proposing that there are more combinations than initially stated, specifically listing the pairs $(1,6), (2,5), (3,4), (4,3), (5,2), (6,1)$.
  • This participant recalculates $P(X_1=7)$ as $\frac{6}{36}=\frac{1}{6}$ based on the revised count of outcomes.
  • There is also a correction regarding the last element in the probability space $\Omega$, where one participant suggests it should be $(6,6)$ instead of $(6,1)$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct count of outcomes for $P(X_1=7$, leading to multiple calculations. There is no consensus on the final probability due to these disagreements.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on the assumption that the probability for each individual outcome is equal, but there are unresolved questions regarding the completeness of the probability space $\Omega$.

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Hey! :o

Two usual six-sided dice are thrown. We are given the probability space $\Omega:=\{(1,1),(1,2),..., (1,6), (2,1),..., (6,1)\}$ and the probability function $ P:Pot (\Omega)\rightarrow [0,1], \ P (\{(a,b)\})=\frac{1}{36}$.
Calculate for the following random variable $X_i:\Omega->R$ the probability $P(X_i=7)$.

a)$X_1 ((a,b))=a+b$

b)$X_2 ((a,b))=2a+1$

c) $X_3 ((a,b))=6+a-b$

Could you give me a hint what I am supposed to do? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

Two usual six-sided dice are thrown. We are given the probability space $\Omega:=\{(1,1),(1,2),..., (1,6), (2,1),..., (6,1)\}$ and the probability function $ P:Pot (\Omega)\rightarrow [0,1], \ P (\{(a,b)\})=\frac{1}{36}$.
Calculate for the following random variable $X_i:\Omega->R$ the probability $P(X_i=7)$.

a)$X_1 ((a,b))=a+b$

b)$X_2 ((a,b))=2a+1$

c) $X_3 ((a,b))=6+a-b$

Could you give me a hint what I am supposed to do? (Wondering)

Hey mathmari! (Smile)

For the first sub question we're supposed to calculate (since the probability for each individual outcome is the same):
$$P(X_1=7) = P(a+b=7) = \frac{\text{#outcomes such that a+b=7}}{\text{#outcomes in total}}$$
where $a$ is the value of the first die, and $b$ is the value of the second die. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Hey mathmari! (Smile)

For the first sub question we're supposed to calculate (since the probability for each individual outcome is the same):
$$P(X_1=7) = P(a+b=7) = \frac{\text{#outcomes such that a+b=7}}{\text{#outcomes in total}}$$
where $a$ is the value of the first die, and $b$ is the value of the second die. (Thinking)

So, we get that $$P(X_1=7) = P(a+b=7) = \frac{(1,6), (6,1)}{\#\Omega}=\frac{2}{36}=\frac{1}{18}$$ or not? (Wondering)
 
Don't we have more elements in the numerator than just $(1,6), (6,1)$? (Wondering)

Oh, and shouldn't the last element in $\Omega$ in the problem statement be (6,6) instead of (6,1)?
 
I like Serena said:
Don't we have more elements in the numerator than just $(1,6), (6,1)$? (Wondering)

So, we have at the numerator the elements $(1,6), (2,5), (3,4), (4,3), (5,2), (6,1)$.

Therefore we get $$P(X_1=7) = P(a+b=7) = \frac{\#\{(1,6), (2,5), (3,4), (4,3), (5,2), (6,1)\}}{\#\Omega}=\frac{6}{36}=\frac{1}{6}$$ right? (Wondering)
I like Serena said:
Oh, and shouldn't the last element in $\Omega$ in the problem statement be (6,6) instead of (6,1)?

Oh yes (Blush)
 
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Yep. (Nod)
 
I like Serena said:
Yep. (Nod)

Thank you! (Sun)
 

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