Calculating Pyramid Height from 3 Circles

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The discussion revolves around calculating the height of a triangular pyramid formed by stacking three circles of equal radius. Participants explore geometric relationships and trigonometric principles to derive the height of the structure.

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  • One participant proposes drawing a triangle connecting the centers of the circles to calculate the height using trigonometry.
  • Another participant suggests that the triangle formed is equilateral, leading to a specific formula for height: h=\frac{6+\sqrt{3}}{2}r.
  • A different participant presents an alternative formula for height: h=2r+\sqrt{(2r)(2r)-(r)(r)}.
  • One participant acknowledges an error in their previous reasoning and arrives at a corrected height formula: h=(2+\sqrt{3})r, which they claim is equivalent to another participant's formula after manipulation.

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Participants express differing views on the correct formula for height, with some proposing solutions that are later challenged or refined. No consensus is reached on a single correct answer.

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Participants reference geometric properties and trigonometric calculations, but there are indications of unresolved reasoning and potential errors in earlier claims. The discussion reflects a process of correction and refinement without definitive conclusions.

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Given 3 circles each of radius r, stacked up into a triangular pyramid shape, find the height of the entire structure. This might be expressed more clearly in a graphical form:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/3646/stackcircleseb0.png
http://g.imageshack.us/img206/stackcircleseb0.png/1/

I haven't been able to answer this question for years! Any suggestions as to how to find the height h would be appreciated.
 
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Draw a triangle connecting the centers of the circles. Calculate the height of the triangle using trivial trigonometry. Can you proceed from here?
 
Ahh it would form an equilateral triangle, giving me the angles I have searched long and hard for to find! :cry:

[tex]h=\frac{6+\sqrt{3}}{2}r[/tex]

That one line:
daniel_i_l said:
Draw a triangle connecting the centers of the circles.
all it took to build that bridge I've been longing for. Thankyou very much, I greatly appreciate that one line of help :biggrin:
 
I too worked out some and i got this:
h=2r+sqrt((2r*2r)-(r*r));
 
Mentallic said:
Ahh it would form an equilateral triangle, giving me the angles I have searched long and hard for to find! :cry:

[tex]h=\frac{6+\sqrt{3}}{2}r[/tex]

You are correct that the triangle is an equilateral triangle. Your derived height is however incorrect. If you arrived at this result we can help find the error in your reasoning.
 
Seems I was too excited and skipped a whole lot of rational thinking.
I knew it would've been a stupid mistake, and while I don't know what I did wrong yesterday (no point in trying to find out), I have the correct answer now.

[tex](2+\sqrt{3})r[/tex]

which is equivalent to KnowPhysics' after a bit of manipulation:

[tex]2r+\sqrt{(2r)(2r)-(r)(r)}[/tex]

[tex]2r+\sqrt{4r^2-r^2[/tex]

[tex]2r+\sqrt{3r^2}[/tex]

[tex]2r+\sqrt{3}r[/tex]

Thanks :smile:
 

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