Calculating Real Depth from Apparent Depth and Observation Angle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the real depth of a school of fish observed from a ship, given the apparent depth and the observation angle. The subject area includes concepts of optics, specifically refraction and trigonometry.

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  • Participants discuss the application of Snell's law to find the angle of incidence and explore the relationship between angles and triangle side lengths. There are questions about the correct setup of the problem and the implications of the geometry involved.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, checking assumptions about angles and triangle properties. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of trigonometric relationships, and there is a collaborative exploration of the necessary calculations.

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There is a focus on understanding the relationships between angles and side lengths in right triangles, particularly in the context of light refraction. The apparent depth and observation angle are key variables under discussion.

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Robert is on a ship looking at a school of fish below the lake surface. He estimates the apparent depth of the school to be two meters, and that his observation angle is forty five degrees. Calculate the real depth of the school.
Here is what I think we know:

θr=45°, θi=?, ni=1.00, nr=1.33
Because the index of refraction goes from a lower value to a higher one the light will bend towards the normal which I drew in the diagram.

So if we want to find θi would it be sinθi=((sin45°)(1.33))/(1.00)? I'm a bit lost and would really appreciate some help.
 
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John982 said:
Here is what I think we know:

θr=45°, θi=?, ni=1.00, nr=1.33
Because the index of refraction goes from a lower value to a higher one the light will bend towards the normal which I drew in the diagram.

So if we want to find θi would it be sinθi=((sin45°)(1.33))/(1.00)? I'm a bit lost and would really appreciate some help.

Close. Snell's law says: \frac{sin(\theta 1)}{sin(\theta 2)} = \frac{n2}{n1}.

In this case \theta 1 = 45°~,~n1 = 1.00~,~n2 = 1.33. It looks like you've got your n1 and n2 swapped.
 
Then based on that it would be: sinθ2= (1.00/1.33)(sin45) -> θ2=32.1°. Now that I have the angle I can use tanθ=opp/adj correct? But how do I know what the opposite side length is?
 
John982 said:
Then based on that it would be: sinθ2= (1.00/1.33)(sin45) -> θ2=32.1°. Now that I have the angle I can use tanθ=opp/adj correct? But how do I know what the opposite side length is?

If you know θ2 (which is θi on your diagram) then you can calculate the angle \phi between the horizontal water surface and the light ray. What triangle side length is the same regardless of the depth?

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The horizontal side x does not change. Could you find the angle by subtracting θ2 from 90° which would make ϕ 58°?
 
John982 said:
The horizontal side x does not change. Could you find the angle by subtracting θ2 from 90° which would make ϕ 58°?

That's the idea!
 
So could I do the same thing to find x by subtracting 45° from 90° which is 45° and if the length of the apparent depth is 2 meters then x must also be 2 because 45-45-90 triangles have legs of equal length?
 
John982 said:
So could I do the same thing to find x by subtracting 45° from 90° which is 45° and if the length of the apparent depth is 2 meters then x must also be 2 because 45-45-90 triangles have legs of equal length?

Absolutely!
 
our real depth then is 2/Tan32.1=3.19 m. Thank you so much for your help.
 

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