Calculating Relative Speed of Objects Moving Away from Earth

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the relative speed of two objects moving away from each other as observed by an astronomer. The context is rooted in special relativity, specifically utilizing Lorentz transformations to analyze the velocities of the objects in relation to one another.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of Lorentz transformations and question the appropriate reference frames for the problem. There is uncertainty about whether to consider the Earth or the objects themselves as the frame of reference. Some participants also raise concerns about the interpretation of the question regarding relative speed versus separation speed.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem statement. Some hints have been provided to clarify the focus on the astronomer's perspective, but no consensus has been reached regarding the correct approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of potential confusion regarding the notation used for the velocities, as well as the distinction between separation speed and relative speed, which is a key aspect under consideration in the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An astronomer sees two objects moving along the same line of sight away from each other. The first object moves away from the Earth with a velocity of 2.5×108 m/s, and the second object moves towards the Earth with a velocity of 1.8×108 m/s.
According to this astronomer how fast are the two objects moving away from each other?

Homework Equations


Lorentz transformation
V'x = (Vx - u)/(1-(u*Vx/c^2))
Vx = (V'x + u)/(1+ (u*V'x/c^2))

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure how to apply the transformations here.
Should I take the the reference frames used in the equations to be on the objects and attempt to find u?
Normally In a problem like this I would take the Earth to be the first frame of reference
 
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Hint: The question is how fast the astronomer finds that the objects are moving away from each other, not how fast the objects find that they are moving away from each other.
 
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Orodruin said:
Hint: The question is how fast the astronomer finds that the objects are moving away from each other, not how fast the objects find that they are moving away from each other.
I don't read it that way.

I think it means that knowing special relativity, what does the astronomer conclude is the relative speed of one of the objects with respect to the other.

Also, Woolyabyss needs to fix his powers of ten notation.
 
SammyS said:
I don't read it that way.
Woolyabyss said:
According to this astronomer how fast are the two objects moving away from each other?
I don't see how this can be read in any other way. If the relative speed was intended, this would have been the statement:
SammyS said:
what does the astronomer conclude is the relative speed of one of the objects with respect to the other.
not "according to the astronomer". This is a typical question to raise awareness over the difference between separation speed and relative speed.
 
Orodruin said:
I don't see how this can be read in any other way. If the relative speed was intended, this would have been the statement:

not "according to the astronomer". This is a typical question to raise awareness over the difference between separation speed and relative speed.
Yes, you have convinced me.
 

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