Calculating Repulsive Force between Two Charges at Different Distances

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The discussion revolves around calculating the repulsive force between two equal charges at different distances, specifically comparing the forces when the charges are 10 cm apart versus 5 cm apart. The subject area is electrostatics, focusing on Coulomb's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of charge and the application of Coulomb's law to find the repulsive force. There are attempts to verify the correctness of intermediate calculations and final answers. Questions arise about the necessity of unit conversion from centimeters to meters.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants seeking confirmation on their calculations and understanding of the concepts involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the importance of unit conversion and the implications of using incorrect units. There is a mix of confusion and attempts to clarify the problem-solving process.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about whether to convert units and the implications of their calculations on the final answer. There is mention of potential grading implications for incorrect intermediate steps, indicating a focus on accuracy in the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement



two equal charges repel one another with a f = 4.0x 10^-4N when they are 10cm apart. If they are moved until the separation is 5.0 cm, the repulsive force is...

Homework Equations



f= kq1q2/r^2

The Attempt at a Solution



I already calculated and I just would like someone to tell me if 16x10^-4 seems correct.
I calculated q to then find force at 5.0cm. Is that right?
 
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Anyone?
I just would like to know if my answer is correct.
 


if it´s not correct just say no. that´s all I want. I want to know if my answer is correct. that´s all :))) PLease?!
 
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domyy said:
if it´s not correct just say no. that´s all I want. I want to know if my answer is correct. that´s all :))) PLease?!

hello domyy!
This is not the way one asks help at physicsforums. We are not here to solve your problem and check whether the answer is correct or not. We can help through the problem. Answer would definitely come out correct if your approach is right. You show us your attempt then only we can help. We are not going to solve and check the answer.
 


I calculated for q using the force given when they were 10cm apart and got 44.4 x 10^-13. With the value, I used it to calculate the repulsive force when they were 5.0cm apart.
 


Would that be correct? would that be the correct approach?
q = fr^2/k = 4.0x10^-4 x 1.0 x 10^-2m/9x10^9Nm^2/c^2 = 0.44 x 10^-15.
f = (9x10^9)(0.44 x 10^-15)/0.0025m = 1584 x 10^-6

Ok, i just changed my answer significantly. i think i am supposed to use m instead of cm, so i just converted. =/
Now, that´s my final answer. What do you think?
 
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domyy said:
Would that be correct? would that be the correct approach?
q = fr^2/k = 4.0x10^-4 x 1.0 x 10^-2m/9x10^9Nm^2/c^2 = 0.44 x 10^-15.
f = (9x10^9)(0.44 x 10^-15)/0.0025m = 1584 x 10^-6

Ok, i just changed my answer significantly. i think i am supposed to use m instead of cm, so i just converted. =/
Now, that´s my final answer. What do you think?
I don't know; now i am confused.
That's a lot more work than is necessary.

Simply use the fact that the electric force follows an inverse square law.

The force exerted upon one charge by another charge is inversely proportional to the square of the distance of separation.
 


ok, the square of the distance of separation = 0.0025m. Is that what you mean?
So my answer makes no sense?
 


domyy said:
ok, the square of the distance of separation = 0.0025m. Is that what you mean?
So my answer makes no sense?

My point is that the force becomes 4 times as great as it was initially, because the separation distance is halved.
 
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Hello, thank you for the help.
Do I have to convert cm to m when calculating the distance or not?
 
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If the force becomes 4 times a greater, that means 16x10^-4 would be correct.
You haven't yet said whether my answer is right or wrong. That´s all asked. That´s all i needed to know.
For the answer above, i didnt convert cm to m for distance. Do i need to convert? because that would serve the answers for some other problems about the same topic.
 
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domyy said:
Hello, thank you for the help.
Do I have to convert cm to m when calculating the distance or not?
Yes, of course ... unless you use a value for k that is in units of N∙cm2/C2 .
domyy said:
If the force becomes 4 times a greater, that means 16x10^-4 would be correct.
You haven't yet said whether my answer is right or wrong. That´s all asked. That´s all i needed to know.
For the answer above, i didn't convert cm to m for distance. Do i need to convert? because that would serve the answers for some other problems about the same topic.
Your final answer is correct, but your intermediate values would not be correct, if you used centimeters rather than meters.

Furthermore, When you were calculating the charge, q, what you were finding was q2.

If this was work I was grading, I would deduct points for these incorrect steps.
 
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To find q1, I would use the value of q2 if I tried to find all the values?

Also, I am confused because if my final answer is correct which would be 1584 x 10^-6, and I didn´t calculate q1, then, how would it be correct?

In case I don´t have both q´s, I thought I could have: q1q2 = q. Someone solved this problem by using this concept.

Is it correct?
 
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I am still confused about how I should leave my answer. This all I need to finish this chapter and start the homework from another. I still have a long way to go. Please, can I leave 1584 x 10^-6 as my answer?
 

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