Calculating rest mass and energy (in an inertial frame)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rest mass and energy of a particle accelerated to a total energy of 10 GeV and momentum of 8 GeV/c. The rest mass was correctly determined to be 6 GeV/c², but there was confusion regarding the energy in a different inertial frame, where the participant initially calculated it as zero, which is incorrect. It was clarified that the total energy cannot be zero and that the correct approach involves using the rest mass and momentum values to find the energy in the specified frame. The participant also considered using velocity transformations to solve for the speed of the reference frame relative to the accelerator's rest frame. Overall, the discussion highlights the importance of correctly applying relativistic equations in particle physics calculations.
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Homework Statement


A particle is accelerated so it has a total energy of 10GeV measured in the accelerator’s rest frame. The particle's momentum is 8GeV/c in the same frame. Calculate...

a.) Rest mass of the particle
b.) Energy in an inertial frame in which its momentum is 6GeV/c
c.) The speed of the this reference frame relative to the accelerator's rest frame.

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



Using the stated relevant equation, I found the rest mass to be equal to 6 GeV/c^2, and then the energy in the inertial frame to be 0. I'm not sure if these are right, especially b! So I'm worried I may have over simplified things a little.

I'm not entirely sure how to do c. Could I attempt to rearrange the relativistic momentum equation using transforms?

Any guidance would be much appreciated...
 
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CricK0es said:

Homework Equations



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There's a misprint in this equation. But I don't think it affected your result for (a), which I think is correct.

Using the stated relevant equation, I found the rest mass to be equal to 6 GeV/c^2, and then the energy in the inertial frame to be 0.
You must have made a mistake for part (b). Can the relativistic total energy of a free particle ever be zero?

I'm not entirely sure how to do c. Could I attempt to rearrange the relativistic momentum equation using transforms?
I'd have to see more detail of what you mean here.
 
TSny said:
You must have made a mistake for part (b). Can the relativistic total energy of a free particle ever be zero?

Yeah I was confused with b. I assumed there should always be energy as a result of mass. So I can't simply plug in my rest mass and the given momentum value for the specified inertial frame?
 
CricK0es said:
Yeah I was confused with b. I assumed there should always be energy as a result of mass.
Yes, the minimum possible energy is the rest energy associated with the mass.
So I can't simply plug in my rest mass and the given momentum value for the specified inertial frame?
Yes, you can do that. :smile: But you shouldn't get zero for the total energy.
 
Oh I put a minus! Why?! xD Okay...

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Therefore E = 8.49GeV
 
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For c. I was thinking of using p = γmv... But using a velocity transform

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I'm not entirely sure how applicable it would be. But I'll have a play and come back in the morning. Come to think of it I don't think it would work with the available info, without some serious playing around. But I'll come back in the morning and see what I've got. Thank you so far
 
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