Calculating rest mass and energy (in an inertial frame)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the rest mass and energy of a particle in different inertial frames, specifically focusing on relativistic physics concepts. The original poster presents a scenario where a particle has a total energy of 10 GeV and a momentum of 8 GeV/c in the accelerator's rest frame, and seeks to find the rest mass, energy in another inertial frame, and the speed of that frame relative to the accelerator.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the rest mass and energy using relevant equations but expresses uncertainty about the results, particularly for the energy in the inertial frame. Some participants question the validity of the assumption that total energy can be zero for a free particle and suggest that there may have been a mistake in the calculations. Others discuss the potential use of relativistic momentum equations and transformations to approach the problem.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, offering guidance and questioning assumptions. There is recognition of potential errors in the original calculations, particularly regarding the energy value. The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different methods and seeking clarification on the application of equations.

Contextual Notes

There are indications of confusion regarding the application of relativistic equations and the implications of mass on energy. The original poster mentions a misprint in the equations provided, which may affect the discussion. Additionally, there is a sense of uncertainty about the information needed to solve for the speed of the reference frame.

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Homework Statement


A particle is accelerated so it has a total energy of 10GeV measured in the accelerator’s rest frame. The particle's momentum is 8GeV/c in the same frame. Calculate...

a.) Rest mass of the particle
b.) Energy in an inertial frame in which its momentum is 6GeV/c
c.) The speed of the this reference frame relative to the accelerator's rest frame.

Homework Equations



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The Attempt at a Solution



Using the stated relevant equation, I found the rest mass to be equal to 6 GeV/c^2, and then the energy in the inertial frame to be 0. I'm not sure if these are right, especially b! So I'm worried I may have over simplified things a little.

I'm not entirely sure how to do c. Could I attempt to rearrange the relativistic momentum equation using transforms?

Any guidance would be much appreciated...
 
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CricK0es said:

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There's a misprint in this equation. But I don't think it affected your result for (a), which I think is correct.

Using the stated relevant equation, I found the rest mass to be equal to 6 GeV/c^2, and then the energy in the inertial frame to be 0.
You must have made a mistake for part (b). Can the relativistic total energy of a free particle ever be zero?

I'm not entirely sure how to do c. Could I attempt to rearrange the relativistic momentum equation using transforms?
I'd have to see more detail of what you mean here.
 
TSny said:
You must have made a mistake for part (b). Can the relativistic total energy of a free particle ever be zero?

Yeah I was confused with b. I assumed there should always be energy as a result of mass. So I can't simply plug in my rest mass and the given momentum value for the specified inertial frame?
 
CricK0es said:
Yeah I was confused with b. I assumed there should always be energy as a result of mass.
Yes, the minimum possible energy is the rest energy associated with the mass.
So I can't simply plug in my rest mass and the given momentum value for the specified inertial frame?
Yes, you can do that. :smile: But you shouldn't get zero for the total energy.
 
Oh I put a minus! Why?! xD Okay...

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Therefore E = 8.49GeV
 
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For c. I was thinking of using p = γmv... But using a velocity transform

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I'm not entirely sure how applicable it would be. But I'll have a play and come back in the morning. Come to think of it I don't think it would work with the available info, without some serious playing around. But I'll come back in the morning and see what I've got. Thank you so far
 
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