Calculating Rod's Speed After Free Fall

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a thin uniform rod of mass M and length L that is allowed to fall from a vertical position about a pivot point. The objective is to determine the speed at which the free end of the rod strikes the ground.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of energy and the moment of inertia in the context of the rod's rotation about a pivot. There are attempts to derive the speed of the rod's end using different equations and considerations of the moment of inertia.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on the correct moment of inertia to use based on the pivot point's location. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods and interpretations of the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are addressing the implications of the rod's rotation about its end versus its center of mass, which affects the calculations. There is also a reference to the original problem being sourced from a GRE practice exam, indicating a formal context for the question.

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Homework Statement



From the GRE 0177 practice exam:

A thin uniform rod of mass M and length L is positioned vertically above an anchored frictionless pivot point, as shown above, and then allowed to fall to the ground. With what speed does the free end of the rod strike the ground?

The Attempt at a Solution



[itex]\frac{MgL}{2} = \frac{1}{2}I \omega^2 \implies[/itex]
[itex]MgL = \frac{1}{12} M L^2 \omega^2 \implies[/itex]
[itex]\omega = \sqrt{\frac{12g}{L}} \implies[/itex]
[itex]v_t = L\omega = \sqrt{12gL}[/itex]

Answer
[itex]v_t=\sqrt{3gL}[/itex]

Any help would be appreciated.
 
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0.5*m*g*L + 0 + 0 = 0 + 0.5*m*vc^2 + 0.5*Io*omega^2, where vc = tangential velocity of rod centroid, and Io = rod centroidal mass moment of inertia.
 
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Hi nvn,

Your equation is incorrect. Why have you put a point mass term on the RHS?
 
Oh I understand now, the moment of inertia requires a modification because the object is not rotating about the center of mass. Thanks.
 
The moment of inertia of a rod is only (1/12)*M*L^2 if it's rotating around the center. If it's rotating around an end it's (1/3)*M*L^2. Ach, I see you have already figured it out. Good job!
 
jvicens: The mass moment of inertia of the rod is centroidal as stated in post 2. The rod mass is distributed along its length, not concentrated at its center. Try looking up Io again; your formula appears incorrect.

The answer to your second question is, yes, we should, and we are. See post 2. Your current answer appears to be incorrect.
 
jvicens: You can instead work the problem that way, which is a good method, but it gives the same answer (which is stated in the last line of post 1), not the answer you listed.
 

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