Calculating Salt Solution Concentration: Calculus & Non-Calculus Solutions

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The problem involves a tank containing a weak salt solution with a specific concentration, where water is added and the solution is removed at the same rate. The goal is to determine how long it takes for the salt concentration to decrease to specified levels. The discussion includes both calculus and non-calculus approaches to the problem.

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  • The original poster attempts to use a decay model to calculate the time required for the salt concentration to decrease to certain levels, questioning the correctness of their logarithmic approach.
  • Some participants suggest showing their work to facilitate assistance, while others provide insights into the differential equation that could represent the problem.
  • There is a discussion about the initial salt content and how to express the total salt content over time.

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Participants are exploring different methods, including a non-calculus approach and a differential equation. Some guidance has been offered regarding the differential equation, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet.

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The problem is constrained by the requirement to find times for specific concentrations, and there is an indication that the initial formula used may not be appropriate for instantaneous calculations.

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There is a tank that contains 10,000 gallons of a weak salt solution. The salt concentration is 1300 parts per million. Now we start adding 130 gallons per minute of water and also remove 130 gallons per minute of salt solution. Thererore the salt solution concentration gradually decreases to zero parts per million. Assume the tank is agitated and well mixed.

How long does it take the salt solution concentration to decrease to 100 parts per million?

How long ... to 10 parts per million?

How long ... to 1 part per million?


I tried a decay solution as a logarithmic function ( which I believe is not quite correct ) but couldn't come up with correct calculus method.

Can someone offer a calculus & non-calculus solution ?


 
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Hi eldrick! :wink:

Show us what you've tried, and where you're stuck, and then we'll know how to help! :smile:
 
I tried this initially as a non-calculus solution ( but told not quite correct ) :

initial salt content is

10,000 * 1300/1,000,000 = 13 units

we want time salt concentration is

1) 10 per million or total salt content is

10,000 * 10/1,000,000 = 0.1 units

2) 1 per million or total salt content is

10,000 * 1/1,000,000 = 0.01 units

how do we find the answers ?

- 0'00 : total salt content is
10,000 * 1300/1,000,000 = 13 units

- 1'00 : total salt content is
(10,000 * 1300/1,000,000) - (130 * 1300/1,000,000) = 1300/1,000,000 * (10,000 - 130) = 12.831 units

without wasting time on endless factorising :

at any given time t, total salt is

13 * ( (10,000 - 130)/10,000 )^t

or simplify

13 * 0.987^t

so, for answers

1 ) 0.1 = 13 * 0.987^t

-> t = 371.987 minutes

1 ) 0.01 = 13 * 0.987^t

-> t = 547.954 minutes

The problem appears to be initial formula which is based on salt content at 1 minute & not instantaneous
 
Hi eldrick! :smile:

(try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

I haven't completely checked your other figures, but yes your 0.987t is correct.

(the calculus method, for the proportion p, would have been dp/dt = -0.013p)
 
Very kind of you Tim

I'd appreciate it if you would show me how you obtained the differential
 
dp/dt = -0.013p ?

A fixed proportion of the water leaves per second.

So a fixed proportion of the salt leaves per second.

That's English for "dp/dt is a constant times p". :smile:
 

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