Calculating Size Ratios for Energy Levels in Hydrogen Atom

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The discussion revolves around calculating the size ratios of energy level spacings in a hydrogen atom, specifically comparing the energy differences between the levels n=3 and n=8, and n=8 and n=9. The scope includes homework-related calculations and conceptual clarifications regarding energy levels and their interpretations in the context of the Bohr model.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states the need to calculate the ratio of energy spacings between specified energy levels using the formula En=Rh[1/ni2 - 1/nf2].
  • Another participant clarifies that "larger spacing" refers to energy spacing.
  • A participant expresses confusion over their initial calculation yielding a different answer than expected, specifically mentioning a ratio of 14.82 times larger.
  • One participant suggests that the energy spacing between levels n=8 and n=3 should be larger than that between n=8 and n=9, proposing a calculation that suggests a significant difference.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the ratios calculated, suggesting that there may be an error in the model answer or a misunderstanding in the question's context.
  • A participant points out that while energy levels can be related to orbit radii in the Bohr model, they are not interchangeable terms, indicating a potential source of confusion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of "size" in the context of energy levels and whether the calculated ratios align with expectations. There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or calculation of the ratios.

Contextual Notes

Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the terminology of energy levels and orbit radii in the Bohr model, as well as discrepancies in the expected versus calculated ratios.

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Homework Statement


How many times larger is the spacing between the energy levels with n=3 and n=8 spacing between the energy levels with n=8 and n=9 for hydrogen atom?


Homework Equations



En=Rh[1/ni2- 1/nf2]

The Attempt at a Solution


From the above stated equation, i managed to calculate the ratio of their energies, however, I can even calculate λ or frequency v, but what about the ratio of their size?
 
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When they say "larger spacing" they are talking about the energy spacing.
 
So, I need to calculate the ratio of the energies of the two given?
if yes then, I did this at first but the answer given, i.e. 14.82 times larger was not obtained
Simon Bridge said:
When they say "larger spacing" they are talking about the energy spacing.
 
I will try to upload my solution, and perhaps from there, you can help me out
 
You'd expect the 8-3 spacing to be bigger than the 8-9 spacing wouldn't you?

\Delta E_{8,3} = \frac{\frac{1}{9}-\frac{1}{64}}{\frac{1}{64}-\frac{1}{81}}\Delta E_{8,9}\approx 30\Delta E_{8,9}... looks like a factor of two got lost someplace.

If the first jump was 4-8 instead of 3-8 then the ratio would be 14.27 ... still too different.

The only other option for "size" would be differences in Bohr orbit radii.
Which would be dumb. So I'd say that either the model answer is in error or there is some aspect of the question not communicated someplace.
 
In Bohr Atomic Model, orbits are also known as energy levels, if I recall correct. Still, their ratio is absurd for answer.
 
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AGNuke: not quite correct. The Bohr energy levels can be related to orbit radii in the planetary model. They are not different names for the same thing and you'll find physicists can get quite shirty about it.

OP will need to look at the context to see which is meant.
Or just do the math:-)

The orbit concept makes little sense here... but that may be the point of the exercise.
 

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