Calculating Speed of q: Point Charge Q Loses Charge

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving electrostatics and motion, specifically focusing on a point charge Q that loses charge over time and its effect on another point charge q positioned nearby. The context includes calculating the mass of charge q and determining its speed as it approaches the origin while the charge Q diminishes.

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  • Participants discuss the mass calculation of charge q and question its plausibility, with some suggesting that the mass seems excessively high. There are attempts to clarify the forces acting on charge q, including gravitational and electrostatic forces, and how they change over time as charge Q loses its value.

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Some participants are exploring the implications of charge Q losing its value and how that affects the forces acting on charge q. There is a mix of understanding and confusion regarding the setup of the problem, particularly in relation to the changing nature of the forces involved. Guidance has been offered regarding the equations of motion and the forces at play, but no consensus has been reached on how to proceed with the calculations.

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Participants note potential issues with the assumptions made about the problem, including the nature of charge Q and its loss of charge. There is also a mention of the units used for distance, indicating that the initial distance may have been misunderstood. The discussion reflects a range of interpretations regarding the physical setup and the mathematical approach required.

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a)Point charge Q = +7.25 μC is fixed at the origin. Point charge q = +1.60 μC is now carefully placed on the positive y-axis, and it floats at (0,7.88). Find the mass of q.


b) Refer to question a. Suppose that, as charge q is floating, the point charge Q at the origin begins to lose its charge at a constant rate of dQ/dt = -0.285 μC/s. Find the speed with which point charge q is approaching the origin when it is at (0, 3.94).

I got the answer a by using F = k x (q1 x q2 / r^2) and F = mg ---> m = 1.71 kg

I am completely stuck on b. Can someone please help??
 
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m = 1.71 kg seems a bit on the heavy side to me
coulomb constant is order 1010, the product of the charges is order 10-12 they gets divided by a number to the order of 100 ... expect a mass order of 0.0001kg.

- did you remember the 10-6 on each charge?

For (b) they are saying that conservation of charge is being violated ... it's magically being spirited away[*]. In context, they probably only only want the force to change with time. So you want to write out ƩF(r,t)=mar(t) and solve for r(t) and vr(t) I guess.

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[*] Perhaps the charge at the origin is a charged metal sphere and charge is being drained to ground through a resistor?
 


1.71 kg is correct.

Still lost on b; F = 16.794 N and it is only in y direction
 


Still lost on b; F = 16.794 N and it is only in y direction
The coulomb force cannot be constant - Q depends on time
... "only in the y direction" just means that r=yj and, so, r=y ;)
... and don't forget gravity in the -y direction.
1.71 kg is correct.
Since you insist. That y=7.88 distance is not meters then? (Must be cm).
 
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My profound apologies = Yes, in cm.

Can you please help a little more...an equation?...Yes, I am really lost on b
 


I have to avoid doing the problem for you ... so I'll stick to stuff you already know:

Choosing +y as the positive direction for forces:

The coulomb force is (remembering that y is a function of time now) F_C=\frac{kqQ(t)}{y^2}:Q(t)=a-bt
The gravity force is F_g=-mg

The net force in the +y direction is mass times y-accelerationF_C - F_g = m\ddot{y}

:D
 
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... I don't see how that is "introductory" ... what level is this to be done at?


I suppose you could assert that the coulomb and gravity forces are equal and opposite all through the motion - in which case the speed is a constant.

So the speed is just distance over time ... have the distance, need the time to travel Δy
This is the time it takes for the coulomb force to reduce so it will balance q at half the distance.
 
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Thank you Simon -- I'll give this a go...

".. I don't see how that is "introductory" ... what level is this to be done at?" = My thoughts exactly...

...nd day of Principles of Physics II...
 

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