Calculating the A value of a physical pendulum

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The discussion revolves around calculating the value of A for a physical pendulum, specifically focusing on the moment of inertia for a person's arms, given their length and the period of swing. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the length of the arm, the center of mass, and the derived equation for A.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the definition of L in the equation, questioning whether it should represent the full length of the arm or the distance from the center of mass to the pivot point. There is discussion about the center of mass location for a uniformly distributed mass.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively questioning the assumptions made about the center of mass and its implications for calculating L. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of L, but no consensus has been reached on the correct approach to the problem.

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The original problem statement is taken directly from a program, and there is uncertainty about the completeness of the definition of L. Participants are considering the implications of uniform mass distribution in the arms.

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Homework Statement



The moment of inertia for an arm or leg can be expressed as I = AmL^2, where A is a unitless number that depends on the axis of rotation and the geometry of the limb and L is the distance from the center of mass. Say that a person has arms that are 31.30 cm in length and legs that are 40.69 cm in length and that both sets of limbs swing with a period of 1.20 s. Assume that the mass is distributed uniformly in both the arms and legs.

Calculate the value of A for the person's arms.


L arm = .313 m
T = 1.20

Homework Equations



A = (g/L) (T/2pi)^2

The Attempt at a Solution




(9.8/.313) (1.20/2pi)^2 = 1.142

I'm not sure where I'm going wrong with this problem. After the derivation of the equation it's plug and chug. I looked up the equation I derived and it's correct. Can anyone lend me a hand?
 
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Hi ttk3,

What does L represent in the equation? You plugged in the length of the arm but I don't think that's correct.
 
It says that L is the distance from the center of mass. Wouldn't the center of mass be located at the top of the arm (the point from which the pendulum swings)?

The equation is derived from the attached equation, and L would be the arm length in that one I thought.
 

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ttk3 said:
It says that L is the distance from the center of mass. Wouldn't the center of mass be located at the top of the arm (the point from which the pendulum swings)?

The equation is derived from the attached equation, and L would be the arm length in that one I thought.

I can't view the attachment yet, but the center of mass would not be at the top of the arm. The problem indicates that the mass is uniformly distributed in the arm.

Pretend the arm is a uniform rod. Where is the rod's center of mass? It's not at either end of the rod.

Also, when you say that L is the distance from the center of mass, is that all it said? That does not sound like it is complete. Shouldn't it be something like, L is the distance from the center of mass to the shoulder (arm's pivot point)? Because distances are between two points.
 
The question is a direct copy and paste from the program. So if the center of mass is the center of the arm, would I the length of the arm divided by two for my L value?
 
If L is the distance from the center of mass to the shoulder, then that sounds right to me. What do you get?
 

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