Calculating the Angle of a Pyramid and Square

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The discussion revolves around calculating the angle formed by a line segment (tc) of a pyramid and the square base (abcd). Participants explore various methods and assumptions related to the geometry of the pyramid, including whether it is a right pyramid and the implications of different configurations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests an angle of 37°45' based on their calculations but seeks assistance in verifying this.
  • Another participant questions whether the pyramid is a "right" pyramid, noting that if it is tilted, additional information about the tilt angle is necessary to determine the angle tc makes with the square.
  • A participant provides a calculation assuming a right pyramid, concluding that the angle tbo is 60 degrees based on the properties of right triangles.
  • Some participants mention the possibility of using coordinate or vector methods to find the angle, suggesting that these methods could simplify the problem.
  • One participant identifies a right angle in the pyramid's structure, leading them to conclude that the angle tcd is 45 degrees, but distinguishes it from the angle between tc and abcd.
  • Another participant argues that the angle formed by tc and abcd can be calculated through orthogonal projection, leading to their angle of 37°45' and some seconds.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept that there can be multiple angles between a line and a plane, proposing a smallest angle of approximately 33.0152 degrees based on their calculations involving triangle CXT.
  • One participant challenges the correctness of another's projection method and suggests that their angle estimates may be higher than previously stated.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the angle calculations, with some agreeing on specific angles (like 45 degrees for tcd) while others propose different methods and results, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on various assumptions about the pyramid's geometry, including whether it is a right pyramid and the implications of tilt. There are also unresolved calculations and differing interpretations of angles based on projection methods.

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At my math exam i got this picture of a piamide.

Now the question was to calculate the angle made by [tc] and the square (abcd)

how much is that angle?

my thougth was 37°45' and some "can you help me, with a calculation?

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Is this a "right" pyramid? That is, are you assuming that the vertex of the pyramid is directly over the center of the square? Your picture looks like the pyramid is tilted but if so there is no way to answer this question without knowing the angle of "tilt"- the angle td makes with the square.

If this is a right pyramid, then since td and ta are congruent to the sides of the square base, so are tc and tb. Taking that length to be 1, the diagonals of the base have length [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex] and the length from c to o, the center of the square, is [itex]\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}[/itex]. The triangle tob, then, is a right triangle, have "near" side to angle tbo, the angle you are asking about, of length [itex]\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}[/itex] and hypotenuse of length [itex]\sqrt{2}[/itex]. The cosine of the angle is the ratio of those: cos(tbo)= 1/2. That is exactly 60 degrees.

If your pyramid is not "right" then more information is needed- imagine, "rotating" triangle adt at different angles about line ad. The angle you are seeking will have different values depending upon that.
 
there's a right angle at the far side...indicating that t lies on the ad side of a bounding box. pat:Can you show more of your work please?
 
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For this question, were you allowed to use coordinate/vector methods?
You have enough information to find coordinates for t, c, and a.

After looking at it again, one could almost do it by inspection... assuming I am looking at it correctly.
 
you could do it by vector methods...or just simple trig/lenght.
 
the angle between td and tc is 90°
the bottem area is a square with length 4, all lines marked with // are 4
 
Yes, I missed seeing that "vertical" right angle- my mind just lumped it together with right angles in the base.

But that makes the problem easy: the side is an isosceles right triangle and the angle you seek, angle tcd, is exactly 45 degrees.
 
yes the angle tcd is indeed 45 degrees, but it isn't the same as the angle formed by tc and abcd, becaus i think you calculate that but making the orthagonal (right) projection of tc at abcd, so that would become oc (where o is the middle of ad) and so you get an angle of 37°45' and some secondes

Is that method of thinking correct?
 
Now, we learn at school the similar things like this. As I know, there can be not just one angle between line and plane. We can just define the smallest angle. Smallest angle in this case would be 33.0152 degrees. Hope my calculations were without mistake. (as they often are) HOw did I get this angle? I used triangle CXT where X is in the middle of AD. I just found out the lenghts of sides of triangle and than I got easily the angle TCX.
 
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pat: i think the arch seconds are a bit higher...still around 37-38.
Show your calcs please. because your concept that tc projects into oc is wrong.
 

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