Calculating the flux of a vector field

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The discussion revolves around calculating the flux of a vector field, specifically through the integration of the function \(xy\) over a defined surface area, which is constrained by the equation \(x^2 + y^2 \leq a^2\). Participants are exploring the correct limits of integration and the implications of using different coordinate systems.

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  • Participants discuss the setup of the integral and question the limits of integration, particularly in relation to the geometric interpretation of the area being integrated. There are attempts to clarify the azimuthal integration concept and its relation to spherical coordinates. Some participants express doubt about the correctness of the provided answer and the dimensionality of the result.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights and clarifications regarding the integration limits and the geometric context. There is a recognition of the need to correctly interpret the area as a circle rather than a square, and some participants indicate they are gaining understanding from the explanations provided.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the integration limits and the dimensionality of the answer, with participants reflecting on their initial assumptions about the problem setup. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the rendering of mathematical expressions, which may affect clarity in communication.

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Q.18. The flux of the vector field ##\vec{F}=(x+y) \hat{i}+(x-3 y) \hat{j}+x y \hat{k}## through the surface defined by the equation ##x^{2}+y^{2} \leq a^{2}, x>0, y>0##, will be
(a) ##a^{4} / 8##
(b) ##a^{4} / 4##
(c) ##a^{2} / 8##
(d) ##a^{2} / 4##
Relevant Equations
##\vec{F}=(x+y) \hat{i}+(x-3 y) \hat{j}+x y \hat{k}##
I am not sure why latex is not rendering, but here is the question.
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The answer is ##\frac{a^2}{8}## and for the love of my life, I don't know how. Can you please help me with this?
 
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\int_S xy dS= \int_0^a r^2 rdr \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \sin\theta \cos \theta d\theta
Azimuthal integration gives 1/2.
 
anuttarasammyak said:
\int_S xy dS= \int_0^a r^2 rdr \int_0^\frac{\pi}{2} \sin\theta \cos \theta d\theta
Azimuthal integration gives 1/2.
I am DOUBT! azimuthal integration is a new phrase for me. I think it's the equivalent of what I learnt as integration using spherical co-ordinates, but still, I don't see how you can get 1/2 there. Also, isn't dr 0? We are integrating with radius r as constant (a). We are given a surface x^2 + y^2 \leq a^2
 
I think$$\int_{x=0}^a \int_{y=0}^a xy ~dx~dy$$should actually be$$\int_{x=0}^a \int_{y=0}^{\sqrt {a^2-x^2}} xy~ dy~dx$$
And on 'dimensional' grounds, I think the answer should be a multiple of ##a^4## rather than ##a^2##. So the 'official answer' might be wrong.
 
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Steve4Physics said:
I think$$\int_{x=0}^a \int_{y=0}^a xy ~dx~dy$$should actually be$$\int_{x=0}^a \int_{y=0}^{\sqrt {a^2-x^2}} xy~ dy~dx$$
And on 'dimensional' grounds, I think the answer should be a multiple of ##a^4## rather than ##a^2##. So the 'official answer' might be wrong.
can you please explain the limits of the integral more? I mean, I put a as the limit of the integral as it's a part of a circle we are talking about here, why are you putting a different limit?

edit: Damn! Yes! It's a circle we are talking about, I seem to have calculated the area of a square. Yes?
 
Slimy0233 said:
edit: Damn! Yes! It's a circle we are talking about, I seem to have calculated the area of a square. Yes?
Yes!
 
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Slimy0233 said:
can you please explain the limits of the integral more? I mean, I put a as the limit of the integral as it's a part of a circle we are talking about here, why are you putting a different limit?
Draw ##xy## axes and the 1st quadrant.

Draw a thin vertical ‘elementary’ strip of thickness ##dx## for some value of ##x## inside the quadrant. Note:
- the left side of the strip has x-coordinate ##x##;
- the right side of the strip has x-coordinate ##x+dx##;
- the bottom edge of the strip is a has y-coordinate = 0;
- the top edge of the strip has y-coordinate ##\sqrt {a^2-x^2}## (that’s the key point).

When you integrate ##xy## over the elementary strip you get ##\int_{y=0}^{y=\sqrt {a^2-x^2}} xy~ dy~dx##. (Then it remains to integrate the contributions from all the strips.)

Can you take t from there?
 
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Steve4Physics said:
Can you take t from there?
It was very kind of you to explain that well and that much!

I can take it from there, thank you! I managed to solve it.
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