Calculating the Force to Move a 200,000 lb Table on 12 Wheels

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around estimating the force required to move a 200,000 lb table supported by twelve 10-inch diameter wheels. Participants explore various factors affecting this calculation, including friction coefficients, wheel specifications, and the feasibility of such a setup.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the formula: Force = coefficient of static friction X weight, noting that the coefficient for rubber on dry concrete is approximately 1, but later acknowledges this may overestimate the force required if the tires can roll.
  • Another participant estimates the rolling resistance coefficient (RRC) for rubber tires to be about 0.01, proposing that the force needed to move the table could be around 2,000 pounds based on this coefficient.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of supporting 200,000 lbs on 10-inch diameter wheels, with one participant arguing that the weight distribution would be excessive for such small tires, suggesting that a specially built track may be necessary.
  • Some participants question the existence and practicality of a mobile 100-ton table, with one expressing skepticism about the need for such a structure.
  • Another participant provides a comparison to standard rail freight cars, noting their weight limits and the rolling resistance of steel wheels on steel rails, which is significantly lower than that of rubber wheels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of moving a 200,000 lb table on 10-inch wheels, with some questioning the practicality and others focusing on the calculations of force required. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed calculations or the practicality of the scenario.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for more information about the wheels and the surface they are on to accurately assess the situation. There are also concerns about the deformation of the ground and wheels affecting the force calculations.

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What would be the approximate force required on the perimeter of a 30 ft diameter table that weighs 200,000 lbs to move it? The table is sitting on twelve wheels (10" diameter each) that are mounted to ball bearings.
 
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A quick approximation would be:

Force = coefficient of static friction X weight.

The rubber-to-road friction is likely larger than the bearing friction (assuming the bearings are in good condition).

My old physics textbook lists for coefficient of static friction = 1 for rubber on dry concrete.

Edit:

The method above will significantly over-estimate the force since this would only apply if the tires could not roll.

I will look into this a little more...
 
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The rolling resistance coefficient (RRC) for rubber automobile tires is about 0.01 (less if the tires are inflated more). Thus for a car weighing 3000 pounds, the horizontal force needed to push the car (overcome the RRC) is about 30 pounds.

For your case, I would guess about 0.01 x 200,000 pounds = 2,000 pounds tangential force on the perimeter of the table.

Bob S
 
I don't think you are going to support 200,000 lbs on 12 10-inch-diameter rubber tires. The weight on each tire would be about 7.5 tons. Compare "one 10-inch diameter wheel" with the wheels and tires on a typical 7-ton road truck!

The question is impossible to answer unless we know more about the wheels, and what surface they are running on. You would probably need a specially built track to support that weight with such a small contact area. Otherwise, the most of the force will be overcoming the deformation of the ground and/or the wheels, not overcoming rolling resistance or friction in the bearings.
 
Where the heck do you have a 100 ton table and why would such a table have wheels?
 
There are plenty of mobile engineering structures that weigh more than 100 tons. That is only the weight of three large "standard" road trucks. But supporting them on twelve 10-inch diameter wheels is not so common.
 
I don't mean to get off track here, but I hotly disagree that there are plenty of 100 ton TABLES that are required to be mobile, 10 inch wheels or not.
 
The gross weight limit of a standard US rail freight car is about 286,000 pounds, supported on eight 33" diameter steel wheels (35,750 pounds each). The rolling resistance coefficient of steel wheels on a steel rail (without deformation) is about 0.1%.
 

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