Calculating the Frequency of a Car Horn Using the Doppler Effect

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The discussion revolves around calculating the frequency of car horns using the Doppler effect, specifically in the context of beat frequencies heard when one car is stationary and the other is moving towards an observer.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between beat frequency and the frequencies of the horns, questioning how to use the beat frequency to determine the actual frequency emitted by the horns. There is discussion about applying the Doppler effect equations and the implications of the observed beat frequency.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some offering guidance on how to relate the beat frequency to the frequencies involved. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the relationship between the frequencies due to the Doppler effect and the beat frequency.

Contextual Notes

Assumptions about the speed of sound and the conditions under which the frequencies are measured are implicit in the discussion, but specific values or additional constraints are not detailed.

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Two automobiles are equipped with the same single-frequency horn. When one is at rest and the other is moving toward an observer at 13 m/s, a beat frequency of 5.8 Hz is heard. What is the frequency the horns emit? Assume T = 20°C.

I understand that this is related somehow to the doplar effect. I thought to use the equation to find the heard velocity when a sound is moving towards a listener which is...
Frequency Heard = Frequency Sound (Velocity of Sound/(Velocity of sound- velocity of moving sound)

This formula should work, but i am wondering if i can assume beat frequency is the actual frequency of the sound. I feel as though it is not. I need to know how to use this beat frequency to find the actual frequency of the sound. HELP!
 
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How is the beat frequency related to the difference of the frequencies (caused by the doppler shift) of the horns? This will allow you to find the difference in frequency caused by the Doppler shift and therefore the frequency the horns emit.
 
So if i say the frequency heard of the moving car is F of sound * (v/v-velocity of moving car) then i can just say that the difference between that value and the regular f of sound equals the 5.8 beat frequency right?
 
Yep, that's right:

[tex]f_{beat}=|f_{2}-f_{1}|[/tex]

And you know [tex]f_{2}[/tex] in terms of [tex]f_{1}[/tex] from the doppler shift equation; so put it all together, and you should get the right answer!
 
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