Calculating the Mass of a Piece of Glass Using Archimedes' Principle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the mass of a piece of glass using Archimedes' Principle, alongside a second problem related to strain in a cube under uniform force. The context involves understanding buoyancy and the effects of different fluid densities on apparent weight.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the setup of the problems, particularly focusing on the apparent weights of the metal and glass in different fluids. Questions arise about the definitions of density and how they relate to the calculations being attempted. Some participants express uncertainty about the initial equations and the interpretation of Archimedes' Principle.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problems, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the calculations. Some clarification is sought regarding the application of Archimedes' Principle and the definitions of variables involved. Multiple interpretations of the setup are being considered, and participants are encouraged to articulate their understanding and reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problems are from a class exam, which may impose certain constraints on the approach. There is also mention of confusion regarding the use of density in the calculations, indicating potential gaps in understanding that are being addressed in the discussion.

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1.a piece of metal of weight 20gms has equal apparent weight with a piece of glass when both are suspended from the arms of a balance and immersed in water(density 1).if water is replaced by alcohol(density 0.96), 0.84gms must be added to the pan from which the metal is suspended to restore balance.what is the mass of the glass piece?

2.a cube with each side of unit length has the same force F applied normally outwards on all its six faces.what are the expressions of longitudinal & volume strain in terms of the elastic modulii?
 
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Welcome to PF!

Hi soumya! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You must tell us how far you've got, so that we know what's troubling you, and how to help.

Start with the balance … what have you tried?

What equations have you got? :smile:
 
tiny-tim said:
Hi soumya! Welcome to PF! :smile:

You must tell us how far you've got, so that we know what's troubling you, and how to help.

Start with the balance … what have you tried?

What equations have you got? :smile:

actually both prblms were in my class eleven's final Q paper.i have tried 1) as follows:
1)let,
mass of the glass piece=m gms
In 1st case, apparent wt of metal=(20-20/d1),d1=density of the metal
& apparent wt of glass=(m-m/d2),d2=density of the glass
by the prblm,
20-20/d1=m-m/d2.....(i)
In case 2, apparent wt of metal=[20-(20+0.84)*0.96/d1]
& apparent wt of glass=(m-m*0.96/d2)
by the prblm,
[20-(20.84*0.96)/d1]=(m-m*0.96/d2)....(ii)
is this process write?
 
actually both prblms were in my class eleven's final Q paper.i have tried 1) as follows:
1)let,
mass of the glass piece=m gms
In 1st case, apparent wt of metal=(20-20/d1),d1=density of the metal
& apparent wt of glass=(m-m/d2),d2=density of the glass
by the prblm,
20-20/d1=m-m/d2.....(i)
In case 2, apparent wt of metal=[20-(20+0.84)*0.96/d1]
& apparent wt of glass=(m-m*0.96/d2)
by the prblm,
[20-(20.84*0.96)/d1]=(m-m*0.96/d2)....(ii)
is this process write?
 
soumya_26in said:
apparent wt of metal=(20-20/d1),d1=density of the metal

No.

(You understand, I can't give you the answer, I can only help you do it yourself? So …)

20 is the mass of the metal, but d1 is the mass/volume of the water - so 20/d1 isn't anything.

Start again. Do it one step at a time.

First: what is Archimedes principle?

How exactly does it reduce the weight of the metal? What does it depend on? Are there any unknowns?

Same for the glass.

What equation can you write? :smile:

(How did you manage to post twice? :smile: If you click on "edit" under the second post, I think it gives you the option of deleting.)
 

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