Calculating the Maximum total neutrino mass by using cosmological boun

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The discussion revolves around calculating the maximum total neutrino mass using cosmological bounds. Participants explore the relationship between neutrino number density, critical density, and mass, while attempting to derive equations related to neutrino mass from provided references. The scope includes theoretical and mathematical reasoning related to cosmology.

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  • One participant presents an equation relating neutrino density and mass, seeking assistance in deriving it correctly.
  • Another participant questions the validity of the reference used and suggests that the factor of 3 may relate to the difference between one neutrino flavor and all flavors.
  • Clarification is sought regarding the use of number density in relation to the sum of neutrino masses.
  • A participant expresses frustration over the clarity of communication and suggests that the original poster may lack foundational knowledge in cosmology.
  • One participant acknowledges a misunderstanding regarding the average mass of neutrinos and recognizes the need for careful reading of materials.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of equations and the relevance of the factor of 3. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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There are limitations in the clarity of the original post, and assumptions about the definitions of terms like number density and average mass are not fully articulated. The discussion also highlights potential gaps in foundational knowledge among participants.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in cosmology, particularly those exploring the relationship between neutrino properties and cosmological parameters.

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In an article its written,

$$\Omega_{\nu} = \frac{\rho_{\nu}}{\rho_{crit}}=\frac{\sum m_{i,\nu}n_{i,\nu}}{\rho_{crit}} = \frac{\sum m_{\nu}}{93.14h^2eV}$$

Now I am trying to derive this for myself but I could not. Can someone help me ?

So the values are,

##\rho_{crit} = 1.053 75 \times 10^{-5}h^2 GeV/c^2~~cm^{-3}##

Total neutrino average number density today : ##n_{\nu} = 339.5~cm^{-3}##

I tried to write it like,

$$\frac{n_{\nu}\sum m_{\nu}}{\rho_{crit}} = \frac{\sum m_{\nu}}{93.14h^2eV}$$

$$\frac{n_{\nu}}{\rho_{cric}} = \frac{339.5cm^{-3}}{1.05375 \times 10^{-5}h^2 GeV/c^2~~cm^{-3}} = \frac{1}{3.103h^2 \times 10^{-8} GeV} = \frac{1}{31.0382916 h^2eV}$$

Which I am missing additional ##1/3##.

I guess its a simple question but I couldn't see the answer.
 
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Arman777 said:
In an article its written

By now you should know this is not an acceptable PF reference. Point us to where you are having trouble and don't make us guess!

Arman777 said:
31.0382916

Is innumerate nonsense. Please use proper rounding.

I strongly suspect, given the factor of 3, it's a difference between one neutrino flavor and all neutrino flavors, but since you didn't say what your sources are I can't say for sure.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
By now you should know this is not an acceptable PF reference. Point us to where you are having trouble and don't make us guess!
Is innumerate nonsense. Please use proper rounding.

I strongly suspect, given the factor of 3, it's a difference between one neutrino flavor and all neutrino flavors, but since you didn't say what your sources are I can't say for sure.
Yes sorry
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...Vaw0oNgNCVyC98o9jzCu867SY&cshid=1577529872455

I am thinking kind of the same buts its strange.. Umm equation 25.2
 
Since \sum m_\nu = m_1 +m_2 + m_3 (bottom of page 3), why do you want n_\nu \sum m_\nu ?
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Since \sum m_\nu = m_1 +m_2 + m_3 (bottom of page 3), why do you want n_\nu \sum m_\nu ?
I thought I can pull out the number density from the sum and obtain the similar format w.r.t to the paper.
 
Getting any information out of you is a slow and painful process. If you want people to find your mistake, you need to clearly explain what you are doing, and not let it slowly ooze out.

I also think you are in way over your head trying to study cosmology without having the prerequisites down cold. That's why you need to start a new thread every 3-4 days. Nobody is benefiting from this - you don't really learn cosmology, you just think you do, and people who are trying to help just get cross. You have to start at the beginning, not the middle.

If n is a number density, n * the average mass is a mass density. True or false?
If there are three species of neutrinos, m1 + m2 + m3 is:
A. The average mass
B. Three times the average mass.
C. One third the average mass.
D. None of the above.
 
It's B... I understand it now. I should try to read things more carefully.
Vanadium 50 said:
I also think you are in way over your head trying to study cosmology without having the prerequisites down cold.
you are right yes, but I cannot re-take physics courses. I am trying my best to learn.
 

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