Neutrino masses and sterile neutrinos

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The discussion revolves around the masses of neutrinos, specifically the three flavored neutrinos and the implications of introducing a fourth sterile neutrino. Participants explore the constraints on neutrino masses, the nature of flavor states versus mass eigenstates, and the potential effects of a heavier sterile neutrino on oscillation phenomena.

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  • One participant suggests that there are constraints on the masses of the three flavored neutrinos and questions the implications of introducing a fourth sterile neutrino with a mass around 50 GeV.
  • Another participant clarifies that flavor states do not have definite masses, and that the mass eigenstates are what have definite masses, emphasizing the importance of mass squared differences rather than absolute mass values.
  • A later reply questions whether there is an invariant related to the mass matrix, such as the trace, that could be relevant in this context.
  • Another participant responds that the trace is simply the sum of the masses and suggests that the Jarlskog invariant may be more interesting in terms of measuring CP violation related to mixing.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of flavor states and mass eigenstates, with some asserting that flavor states lack definite masses while others seek to explore invariants related to mass matrices. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of a fourth sterile neutrino on oscillation behavior.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the understanding of effective masses of flavor eigenstates and the absolute scale of neutrino masses, which remains uncertain. The discussion also highlights the complexity of neutrino mixing and the relevance of different invariants.

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I am wondering... And I may be wrong but please correct me...
In general we have some constraints on the masses of the 3 flavored neutrinos m_{\nu_e}, m_{\nu_\mu} , m_{\nu_\tau} and so there must be some constrain on the values of the 3 neutrino masses m_1, m_2, m_3. Am I right?
Also the probability of flavor change is oscillating with distance with a frequency that's proportional to \Delta m_{ij}^2 (i,j in [1,3] ).
My question is what happens if there is a 4th sterile neutrino, of the acceptable mass of m_\nu \sim 50~\text{GeV} ?
I'd think then that the additional m_4 that we would have to introduce would have to be very large as well (so that its combination with m_i is large)...and finally \frac{\Delta m _{4i}^2}{E} \approx \frac{m_4^2}{E} = \frac{2500 ~\text{GeV}^2}{5 \cdot 10^{-3}~\text{GeV}} = 5 \cdot 10^5~\text{GeV}
Is this right so long? I'd guess then that a reasonable distance for oscillation to occur would be at approximately L \sim 10^{-21} m?
http://pdg.lbl.gov/2011/reviews/rpp2011-rev-neutrino-mixing.pdf
(used 13.15 together with 13.12)
 
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ChrisVer said:
In general we have some constraints on the masses of the 3 flavored neutrinos mνe,mνμ,mντmνe,mνμ,mντ m_{\nu_e}, m_{\nu_\mu} , m_{\nu_\tau} and so there must be some constrain on the values of the 3 neutrino masses m1,m2,m3m1,m2,m3m_1, m_2, m_3. Am I right?

No, the flavour states do not have definite masses, the definite masses are properties of the mass eigenstates. If you want to talk about effective masses of flavour eigenstates there are several different combination of the mass eigenstate masses which are relevant in different applications.

What is constrained better is the mass squared differences, the absolute scale is still quite unknown.

ChrisVer said:
My question is what happens if there is a 4th sterile neutrino, of the acceptable mass of mν∼50 GeVmν∼50 GeVm_\nu \sim 50~\text{GeV} ?
A neutrino of that mass would be kinematically distinguishable from the light neutrinos. It would therefore quickly decohere and there would be no oscillations.
 
Orodruin said:
No, the flavour states do not have definite masses, the definite masses are properties of the mass eigenstates. If you want to talk about effective masses of flavour eigenstates there are several different combination of the mass eigenstate masses which are relevant in different applications.

Hmm is there some invariant independent of the different combinations? Trace of the mass matrix, for instance?
 
arivero said:
Hmm is there some invariant independent of the different combinations? Trace of the mass matrix, for instance?
The trace is just the sum of the masses. You would need to find a setting where this is relevant to make it an observable. The most interesting invariant with regards to mixing is probably the Jarlskog invariant which measures the degree of CP violation.
 

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