Calculating the norm of linear, continuous operator

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The discussion revolves around proving that a specific operator, defined on a space of continuous functions vanishing at a point, is linear and continuous, and involves calculating its norm. The operator is defined as \(T_{\phi}f(x) = f(x)\phi(x)\) for functions \(f\) in the space \(X = \{f \in C[0,1]: f(1)=0\}\) with the supremum norm.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the linearity and continuity of the operator, with some attempting to establish bounds for the operator norm. There are questions about the implications of the condition \(f(1)=0\) and whether it is relevant to the proof. Some participants express uncertainty about the equality of certain supremum expressions and the compactness of the space involved.

Discussion Status

There are multiple lines of reasoning being explored, with some participants providing hints and suggestions for clarification. While some attempts at proof are noted, there is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the arguments presented. The discussion remains open with participants encouraged to reconsider their approaches.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the space \(X\) is not compact, and there is a focus on the behavior of the operator norm under the defined conditions. There is also a mention of potential false statements in previous attempts, prompting further examination of the definitions and properties involved.

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Homework Statement .

Let ##X=\{f \in C[0,1]: f(1)=0\}## with the ##\|x\|_{\infty}## norm. Let ##\phi \in X## and let ##T_{\phi}:X \to X## given by

##T_{\phi}f(x)=f(x)\phi(x)##.
Prove that ##T## is a linear continuous operator and calculate its norm.

The attempt at a solution.

To check for linearity is pretty simple, for continuity I am not so sure if my proof is correct so I write it just in case:

##T## is continuous if and only if ##T## is bounded. So, I want to prove that there exists ##c>0: \forall f \in X##, ##\|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq c\|f\|_{\infty}##. ##\|T(f)\|_{\infty}=sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)\phi(x)|\leq sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)|sup_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##. As ##[0,1]## is compact, ##sup_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##, if I call ##c=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##, then ##sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)\phi(x)|\leq csup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)|## for every ##f \in X##. It follows that ##T## is bounded ##\implies## ##T## is continuous.

Now, I had problems to calculate the norm of this operator. One of the definition for the norm in the space of linear, continuous operators is ##||T||=inf\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}## (among other equivalent definitions). Sorry if I say something trivially false but I think that ##c=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|## is the norm. I have to prove that ##c## is a lower bound of the set ##\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}## and that it is the upper lower bound.

Here's a tentative solutions after the suggestions:
Lets show that ##c=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|## is a lower bound of the set ##A=\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}##. Let ##M \in A##, then ##\|T(\phi)\|_{\infty}\leq M \|\phi\|_{\infty}##. So ##c^2=sup_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)\phi(x)| \leq Mc \implies c\leq M##. This means that ##c## is a lower bound of ##A##, but ##sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)\phi(x)|\leq csup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)|## for every ##f \in X##, so ##c \in A##. It follows that ##||T||=inf\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}=c##.
 
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Look at the norm of ##T_\phi (\phi)##.
 
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mahler1 said:
Homework Statement .

Let ##X=\{f \in C[0,1]: f(1)=0\}## with the ##\|x\|_{\infty}## norm. Let ##\phi \in X## and let ##T_{\phi}:X \to X## given by

##T_{\phi}f(x)=f(x)\phi(x)##.
Prove that ##T## is a linear continuous operator and calculate its norm.

The attempt at a solution.

To check for linearity is pretty simple, for continuity I am not so sure if my proof is correct so I write it just in case:

##T## is continuous if and only if ##T## is bounded. So, I want to prove that there exists ##c>0: \forall f \in X##, ##\|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq c\|f\|_{\infty}##. ##\|T(f)\|_{\infty}=sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)\phi(x)|=sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)|sup_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##. As ##X## is compact, ##sup_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##, if I call ##c=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|##, then ##sup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)\phi(x)|\leq csup_{x \in [0,1]}|f(x)|## for every ##f \in X##. It follows that ##T## is bounded ##\implies## ##T## is continuous.

Now, I had problems to calculate the norm of this operator. One of the definition for the norm in the space of linear, continuous operators is ##||T||=inf\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}## (among other equivalent definitions). Sorry if I say something trivially false but I think that ##c=max_{x \in [0,1]}|\phi(x)|## is the norm. I have to prove that ##c## is a lower bound of the set ##\{M: \|T(f)\|_{\infty}\leq M\|f\|_{\infty}\}## and that it is the upper lower bound.

I've never used the fact that every function ##f## in ##X## satisfies ##f(1)=0##, maybe I have to use that in this part of the exercise. Suppose ##\phi## is not the zero function (if not, ##T## would be the zero operator and by properties of the norm,##||T||=0##), ##\phi(1)=0## and there is ##x \in [0,1]: \phi(x)≠0##.

I think your proof has a lot of the right ideas in it. But it's really unclear. And it does contain false statements. ##sup |f \phi| \le sup |f| sup |\phi|##. They aren't equal. And X isn't compact. [0,1] is compact. And LCKurtz has a great hint. And I don't think f(1)=0 has much to do with this part of the exercise. Can you rearrange the whole thing and try again?
 
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LCKurtz said:
Look at the norm of ##T_\phi (\phi)##.

It really helped that hint, thanks!
 
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I think your proof has a lot of the right ideas in it. But it's really unclear. And it does contain false statements. ##sup |f \phi| \le sup |f| sup |\phi|##. They aren't equal. And X isn't compact. [0,1] is compact. And LCKurtz has a great hint. And I don't think f(1)=0 has much to do with this part of the exercise. Can you rearrange the whole thing and try again?

I meant ##[0,1]##, no idea why I wrote ##X##. If the elements of two sets ##A## and ##B## consist of non-negative elements, are you sure that ##sup AB \leq sup A sup B## and not always equal? I'll think about a counterexample to convince myself. In the last part of the exercise I've used that if the elements of ##A## are non-negative numbers, then ##supAA=supAsupA##.
 
mahler1 said:
I meant ##[0,1]##, no idea why I wrote ##X##. If the elements of two sets ##A## and ##B## consist of non-negative elements, are you sure that ##sup AB \leq sup A sup B## and not always equal? I'll think about a counterexample to convince myself. In the last part of the exercise I've used that if the elements of ##A## are non-negative numbers, then ##supAA=supAsupA##.

I'm absolutely sure. Try f(x)=1-x and g(x)=(1-x)*x. And you are dealing with sup|f|, it doesn't much matter whether anything is nonnegative or not.
 

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