Calculating the probability of finding an electron

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the probability of finding a 1s electron within a specified radius in quantum mechanics. Participants explore the application of probability density functions and integration techniques to solve a homework problem related to the hydrogen atom's electron distribution.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the probability density function for a 1s electron and seeks guidance on how to calculate the probability over a sphere of radius a_o.
  • Another participant suggests recalling methods from probability and statistics to determine the probability between limits.
  • A participant proposes changing the variable to simplify the integration process and outlines their integration by parts approach, leading to a specific expression for the probability.
  • Concerns are raised about the magnitude of the resulting probability, with one participant questioning the validity of an 11-digit answer in the context of normalization.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of reasoning through solutions rather than relying on external sources, highlighting the need for critical thinking in scientific discussions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of the probability result, particularly regarding the significance of the 11-digit number. There is no consensus on the correctness of the integration approach or the final probability value.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the mathematical steps involved in the integration, and there are indications of uncertainty regarding the normalization of the wavefunction and the implications of the calculated probability.

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Homework Statement


The probability of finding a 1s electron in a region between r and r+dr is:

probability = (4/a^3_o) r^2 e^{-2r/a_o} dr

1. work out the probability that an electron would be found in a sphere of radius a_o

Homework Equations



I know to find the probability you work out \int|\psi|^2 dr but because the probability is already given what do i do?

The probability is given in a region between r and r+dr so i guess I somehow work it out over 360 degress?


Thanks
 
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You have been provided with the probability density function - you need the probability between some limits... how would you normally do that? Think back to probability and statistics work you did in math class.
 
Simon Bridge said:
You have been provided with the probability density function - you need the probability between some limits... how would you normally do that? Think back to probability and statistics work you did in math class.

are the limits ao and 0 and then intergrate by parts?

Okay so if what i said is true:

I changed the variable to make it more straight forward (x=r/ao) so
(upper limit is 1 lower is 0)

probability = (4/a_o) x^2 e^{-2} dx
Then using intergration by parts I get

(4/a_o) \int x^2 e^{-2x} dx =
= 4/a_o [ (-(1/2)x^2 e^{-2x} - \int (-1/2)2x e^{-2x} dx) ]
= 4/a_o [(-(1/2)x^2 e^{-2x} - (1/2) x e^{-2x} - \int -(1/2) e^{-2x} dx)]
=4/a_o [(-(1/2)x^2 e^{-2x} - (1/2) x e^{-2x} - (1/4) e^{-2x} )]

so substituting in the upper and lower limits (1 and 0) i get

=(1/a_o) -(5e^{-2}/a_o)

If someone could check this for me or tell me where I have gone wrong. The problem i find is that the probability is a 11 digit number
 
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I can help you check your own solutions.
Why is an 11 digit answer a problem?
 
Simon Bridge said:
I can help you check your own solutions.
Why is an 11 digit answer a problem?

Because the wavefunction is normalized it should be a maximum of 1 :). I've solved it now anyway, this website helped confirm my answer if anyone has a similar problem

Code:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hydrng.html#c1
 
Cool, well done.

Just some general notes:

You should be getting used to reasoning out your answers rather than relying on some outside authority. That's why I was being cautious about saying "yep - that's how you do it". How do you know I'm right? How do you know that website is right - maybe someone made a mistake?

Scientists can come across as very arrogant but one of the humilities in science is this distrust of argument by authority. A Nobel-Prize-winner can be challenged on the same grounds as anyone else.

0.12345678901 is an 11 digit number less than 1. See why I asked why an 11 digit answer was a problem?

You can make hyperlinks by putting the urls in tags. If you just paste the link i...phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/quantum/hydrng.html#c1

But you can also manually type them in for tidier links like this.
(Assuming you are using the quick reply box.)
 

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