Calculating the Slope of the IS-curve - Hint Included!

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on calculating the slope of the IS-curve, specifically the derivative $\frac{dr}{dY}$. Participants explore the use of total differentials and the relationships between the variables involved in the IS-curve equation.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests using the total differential to find the slope of the IS-curve, leading to the expression $\frac{dr}{dY} = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r)}$.
  • Another participant questions the definition of the function $f$ in the context of the total differential, considering whether it should be defined as $f(Y,r)=Y-C(Y)-I(r)-\overline{G}$.
  • A participant clarifies that since the goal is to find the derivative of $r$ with respect to $Y$, the equation can be expressed as $Y=C(Y)+I(r(Y))+\overline{G}$, leading to a similar derivative expression.
  • There is a discussion on treating $Y$ and $r$ as functions of each other, noting that $Y(r)$ is the inverse of $r(Y)$.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants engage in a technical exploration of the problem, with some agreeing on the use of total differentials while others seek clarification on the definitions and functions involved. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the best approach or the definitions used.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the appropriate function definitions and the application of total differentials in this context. There are unresolved questions about the relationships between the variables.

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Hey! :o

We have that the IS- curve is described by $$Y=C(Y)+I(r)+\overline{G}$$
I want to calculate the slope $\frac{dr}{dY}$ of the IS-curve.

How could we calculate that? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)
 
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mathmari said:
Hey! :o

We have that the IS- curve is described by $$Y=C(Y)+I(r)+\overline{G}$$
I want to calculate the slope $\frac{dr}{dY}$ of the IS-curve.

How could we calculate that? Could you give me a hint? (Wondering)

Hi mathmari! (Smile)

Perhaps we can take the total differential?

That is:
$$dY=C'(Y)dY + I'(r)dr \quad\Rightarrow\quad
dY(1-C'(Y))=I'(r)dr \quad\Rightarrow\quad
\d r Y = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r)}
$$
 
I like Serena said:
Perhaps we can take the total differential?

That is:
$$dY=C'(Y)dY + I'(r)dr \quad\Rightarrow\quad
dY(1-C'(Y))=I'(r)dr \quad\Rightarrow\quad
\d r Y = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r)}
$$

The total differential of $f$ is $$df=\sum_{i=1}^n\frac{\partial}{\partial{x_i}}dx_i$$

In ths case which is the function $f$ ? Do we define a function $f(Y,r)=Y-C(Y)-I(r)-\overline{G}$ ? Or is the function is this case $Y$ ? (Wondering)

How do we know that we have to use in this case the total differential? (Wondering)
 
mathmari said:
The total differential of $f$ is $$df=\sum_{i=1}^n\frac{\partial}{\partial{x_i}}dx_i$$

In ths case which is the function $f$ ? Do we define a function $f(Y,r)=Y-C(Y)-I(r)-\overline{G}$ ? Or is the function is this case $Y$ ? (Wondering)

How do we know that we have to use in this case the total differential? (Wondering)

Let me put it differently.

Since we want the derivative of $r$ with respect to $Y$, we're talking about the function $r(Y)$.
That means we can write the equation as:
$$Y=C(Y)+I(r(Y))+\overline{G}$$
When we take the derivative of both sides with respect to $Y$ we get:
$$1=C'(Y)+I'(r(Y))\d r Y \quad\Rightarrow\quad \d r Y = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r(Y))} = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r)}$$

As for the total differential, we treat $Y$ as a function of all other variables, that is $Y=Y(r)$, and $r$ as a function of all other variables as well, that is $r=r(Y)$.
Note that $Y(r)$ is simply the inverse of $r(Y)$. (Thinking)
 
I like Serena said:
Let me put it differently.

Since we want the derivative of $r$ with respect to $Y$, we're talking about the function $r(Y)$.
That means we can write the equation as:
$$Y=C(Y)+I(r(Y))+\overline{G}$$
When we take the derivative of both sides with respect to $Y$ we get:
$$1=C'(Y)+I'(r(Y))\d r Y \quad\Rightarrow\quad \d r Y = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r(Y))} = \frac{1-C'(Y)}{I'(r)}$$

As for the total differential, we treat $Y$ as a function of all other variables, that is $Y=Y(r)$, and $r$ as a function of all other variables as well, that is $r=r(Y)$.
Note that $Y(r)$ is simply the inverse of $r(Y)$. (Thinking)

I got it! Thank you so much! (Mmm)
 

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