Calculating the speed of a β-particle?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the speed of a β-particle emitted with an energy of 5.7 x 103 eV. Participants are exploring the relationship between energy and speed in the context of particle physics, particularly focusing on the conversion of energy units and the application of classical mechanics versus relativistic considerations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss using the kinetic energy formula Ek = (0.5)mv2 to find the speed of the β-particle. There are questions about the validity of the calculations and the assumptions regarding energy units, particularly the conversion from electron volts to joules. Some participants suggest the need to consider relativistic effects when calculating the speed.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to the problem, with some participants providing clarifications on the meaning of electron volts and the implications of using classical mechanics. Guidance has been offered regarding unit conversions and the potential need for relativistic considerations, but no consensus has been reached on the best method to apply.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of energy units and the implications of classical versus relativistic physics in their calculations. There is uncertainty about whether the problem requires an understanding of special relativity, which could affect the expected approach.

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I'm busy preparing for my upcoming physics final by going through some old papers. I came across this question and I honestly have no idea what to do. Here's the question:

A β-particle was emitted with an energy of 5.7 x 103 eV.
Calculate the speed of the β-particle.


What I was thinking was that I could use Ek=(0.5)mv2

Thus I would get 5.7 x 103 = (0.5)(9.11 x 10-31)(v2)
Which would give me the value of v = 1.1186 ms-1 but I don't know if that is correct.

I think the biggest problem though is that I'm not actually sure what eV is...I'm just assuming it's equivalent to joules.

Thanks in advance!β
 
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One electron volt, 1 eV, is the energy an electron gains when it is running through an electric potential difference of 1 V. To evaluate the speed, you don't need to transform to Joule first. Just use that the mass of the electron is equivalent to the rest energy m c^2=511 \; \mathrm{keV}.
 
1 eV is the amount of energy an electron would gain if it is accelerated by a potential difference of 1V. You know W= qΔV = q (1V) = 1 eV => q = 1 eV /1V. The charge on an electron is ≈ 1.6 x 10-19 C so then 1 eV ##\equiv## 1.6 x 10-19J since [J/V] = [C].

This is the conversion you should use if you wish to convert everything to joules.
 
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Mikry said:
Thus I would get 5.7 x 103 = (0.5)(9.11 x 10-31)(v2)
Which would give me the value of v = 1.1186 ms-1 but I don't know if that is correct.

when you do this calculation you actually get 1.1186 x 10^17. Many orders of magnitude faster than the speed of light. As the others have said you've just got to make sure your units are consistent.
 
Mikry said:
I'm busy preparing for my upcoming physics final by going through some old papers. I came across this question and I honestly have no idea what to do. Here's the question:

A β-particle was emitted with an energy of 5.7 x 103 eV.
Calculate the speed of the β-particle.What I was thinking was that I could use Ek=(0.5)mv2

Thus I would get 5.7 x 103 = (0.5)(9.11 x 10-31)(v2)
Which would give me the value of v = 1.1186 ms-1 but I don't know if that is correct.

I think the biggest problem though is that I'm not actually sure what eV is...I'm just assuming it's equivalent to joules.

Thanks in advance!β

You don't *have* to convert everything to J. But if you're curious, ##1eV \approx 1.6 \times 10^{-19}J## (the number is (not coincidentally) exactly equal to the electron charge in coulomb).

Are you expected to know and use Special Relativity Theory? The difference from the classical answer is only about 1%, but if you're expected to use Special Relativity and you use Newtonian mechanics in your working, you might be penalised. So you need to clarify this.
 
vanhees71 said:
One electron volt, 1 eV, is the energy an electron gains when it is running through an electric potential difference of 1 V. To evaluate the speed, you don't need to transform to Joule first. Just use that the mass of the electron is equivalent to the rest energy m c^2=511 \; \mathrm{keV}.

I don't think you can simply replace the mass with the rest energy in eV to calculate the speed.
The most sensible thing to do is convert the energy in eV into Joules...this works for any case when the energy of a particle (electron or otherwise) is given in eV
 
Mikry said:
I'm busy preparing for my upcoming physics final by going through some old papers. I came across this question and I honestly have no idea what to do. Here's the question:
Thus I would get 5.7 x 103 = (0.5)(9.11 x 10-31)(v2)
Which would give me the value of v = 1.1186 ms-1 but I don't know if that is correct.
I think the biggest problem though is that I'm not actually sure what eV is...I'm just assuming it's equivalent to joules.Thanks in advance!β
this equation will get the correct answer

(5.7 x 103)x (1.6 x 10-19)= 0.5x(9.11 x 10-31)x(v2)
 

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