Calculating Average Speed for a Particle Traveling at Two Different Velocities

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The problem involves calculating the average speed of a particle that travels half of its total distance at one speed (v1) and the other half at a different speed (v2). The participants are exploring how to express the average speed in terms of these two velocities without specific distance or time values provided.

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  • Participants discuss the formula for average speed and express confusion about how to apply it without specific distance or time data. There are suggestions to express the average speed in terms of v1 and v2, and questions about how to set up the necessary equations.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints about establishing equations that relate distance and time, suggesting that the total distance can be treated as unspecified. Others are seeking clarification and simplification of the concepts being discussed, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without reaching a consensus.

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There is a noted absence of specific values for distance or time, which is causing some participants to question how to proceed with the calculations. The discussion is focused on theoretical understanding rather than numerical solutions.

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Homework Statement


A particle covers half of its total distance with speed v1 and the rest half distance with speed v2 . Its average speed during the complete journey is what?

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As I know Vav = S / t. What is the concept behind it?
 
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I suppose you have to express the average speed in terms of ##v_1## and ##v_2##.
 
stockzahn said:
I suppose you have to express the average speed in terms of ##v_1## and ##v_2##.
How to express? the question is above and I only know Vav = d / t or s / t. There is no data for D or S and t, the data is only for v1 and v1. So how to calculate?
 
By establish the right set of equations, the distance ##s## is canceled and you find the average speed ##\overline{v}## only depending on the velocities ##v_1## and ##v_2##. Hint: Start with the equation expressing the the total time needed ##t## with the variables ##s##, ##v_1## and ##v_2##
 
stockzahn said:
By establish the right set of equations, the distance ##s## is canceled and you find the average speed ##\overline{v}## only depending on the velocities ##v_1## and ##v_2##. Hint: Start with the equation expressing the the total time needed ##t## with the variables ##s##, ##v_1## and ##v_2##
Still, I don't understand your point. Could you simplify a little bit, please?
 
Indranil said:
How to express? the question is above and I only know Vav = d / t or s / t. There is no data for D or S and t, the data is only for v1 and v1. So how to calculate?
So, just let ##D## be unspecified, and express everything in terms of ##D##. After all, nobody told you what the values of ##v_1## and ##v_2## are, but that does not seem to bother you. Not knowing ##D## should not bother you either.
 
Indranil said:
Still, I don't understand your point. Could you simplify a little bit, please?

You've already presented one equation:

$$\overline{v}=\frac{s_{tot}}{t_{tot}}$$

If you express ##t_{tot}## as sum of the two times needed to travel the entire distance ##s_{tot}## with the different velocities (and you know that the two distances are equal), you can substitute the total time in your first equation, simplify the resulting equation and you're done.
 

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