Calculating the Torque that a fan would exert on a Hex shaft

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque that a fan would exert on a 5/8" hex shaft turning at 90 RPM, with a specific load requirement of 2.7 N.m. Participants explore various methods to achieve this torque, including the use of fans and alternative loading mechanisms, while considering the unique conditions of the shaft being housed in a dust box.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the precision of the 2.7 N.m load, suggesting that predicting the torque from a fan in a dust box is challenging due to altered airflow conditions.
  • Another participant proposes using a prony brake attached to a socket on the shaft as a method to measure torque, suggesting a DIY approach or purchasing a commercial version.
  • There is a suggestion that a DC gear motor could be used to load the shaft indefinitely, with the ability to adjust the torque by varying the electrical load.
  • Concerns are raised about the speed of 90 RPM being too slow for effective use of a motor/generator setup, indicating a need for gearing.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the predictability of torque due to potential losses in the gearbox when using a geared motor.
  • A link to a fan brake dynamometer design is shared, with a note about possible pressure pulses affecting performance due to the design constraints.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of accurately calculating the torque produced by a fan under the specified conditions. There is no consensus on the best approach to achieve the desired torque, and multiple competing methods are discussed.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations related to the specific conditions of the dust box, the precision of the torque requirement, and the potential variability in performance due to mechanical losses in gear systems.

Roger Dodd
I have a 5/8" hex shaft that is turning at 90 RPM that I need to add a 2.7 N.m load to it. The shaft is running in a dust box. I would like to mount a fan on the hex shaft to create the torque but I am unsure how to calculate the torque that would be added by the fan. Would anyone be able to help me with this problem?
I will be making or buying the fan based on what load it could add.

Thank you
 
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Why 2.7 N.m ? That's quite a precise figure.

Overall I think that will be difficult/impossible to predict exactly what torque a given fan will produce under those conditions. For example the fact that it's in a dust box rather than free air or a duct will invalidate the manufacturers data. I think you will need to experiment and adjust the fan either by changing the pitch of the blades or trimming the diameter until the torque is right.

90rpm = 9.4 rads/sec
so the power consumed by the fan will be about 2.7 * 9.4 = 25W.

To try and get in the ball park I looked at data on some ceiling fans. Found a typical 1.2m fan rotates at around 300-400 rpm and consumes 50-60W.

The fan laws here..
https://image.slidesharecdn.com/ces...nergy-saving-fan-ppt-16-638.jpg?cb=1416964356
..can be used to estimate the power a ceiling fan would draw at your lower rpm.

New Power/Old Power = (New RPM / Old RPM)3

New Power = 55*(90/350)3
= approx 1W

So we're talking about a fan bigger than a 1.2m ceiling fan. I think you will have to talk to one of the companies that make industrial fan blades for cooling towers and the like.
 
Roger Dodd said:
I have a 5/8" hex shaft that is turning at 90 RPM that I need to add a 2.7 N.m load to it.

I would put a 5/8" socket on the shaft then run a prony brake on the socket.

You could hack something simple like this together in an hour.

Or buy a basic version off the shelf.

If you want to load up the shaft indefinitely then a cheap DC gear motor run as a generator will work. Vary the electrical load (power resistors,light bulbs etc) across the motor terminals to adjust the torque load.
 
90 rpm is a bit slow for a motor/generator approach. Probably need to gear it up.
 
CWatters said:
90 rpm is a bit slow for a motor/generator approach. Probably need to gear it up.

A gear motor (geared motor, gearbox motor etc), something similar to this. Though, That would be run outside just outside it's RPM range and the power rating is probably a bit low (And of course the gearbox needs to be backdrivable - so no worm drives) but I'm sure an appropriately specced gearmotor can be found.
 
Might work but I think the torque might depend a lot on the losses in the gearbox which aren't very predictable.

I think we need the OP to explain why such accuracy is needed.
 

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