Calculating the value of R in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the resistance value (R) in a circuit involving two batteries with given electromotive forces (ε1 and ε2), resistances (r1 and r2), and a specified current (i). Participants are analyzing the circuit's configuration and the implications of their assumptions regarding current direction and battery polarity.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of Kirchhoff's voltage law and the signs associated with the electromotive forces in the circuit. There are questions regarding the correctness of the assumed current direction and the potential differences across the components.

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Multiple interpretations of the circuit and the current direction are being explored. Some participants suggest checking arithmetic calculations, while others propose that the polarity of the batteries might be incorrect. There is a recognition that the drawing may not clearly indicate the positive and negative terminals of the batteries, leading to confusion.

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Participants note that the drawing of the circuit is unclear, which may affect the understanding of the problem. There are also references to differing sign conventions for current direction, which could lead to different interpretations of the equations used.

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Homework Statement


I have drawn the circuit.
I want to calculate the value of R, knowing that

i = 50mA
ε1 = 2V
ε2 = 3V
r1 = r2 = 3 ohm

The Attempt at a Solution


This is a closed circuit.
I imposed the current verse as clockwise.

I go through the circuit as the verse of the current from a point "a" to the same point "a".
The difference of potential is always zero.

## -ε2 -ir_2 -iR -ir_1 +ε1 = 0 ##

I find the R.
But it is not the correct answer.
What am I doing wrong?
 

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cseil said:
I go through the circuit as the verse of the current from a point "a" to the same point "a".
The difference of potential is always zero.

## -ε2 -ir_2 -iR -ir_1 +ε1 = 0 ##

I find the R.
But it is not the correct answer.
What am I doing wrong?
The signs of the emf of the batteries.
 
I don-t understand why.
ε2 has different verse than the current.
 
Your picture is unclear. Which are the positive and negative terminals of the batteries? What direction did you assume for the current? clockwise or anti-clocwise? Note that the battery with the greater emf determines the verse of the current. The current flows out from the positive terminal of that battery and flows in at the negative one.
 
For the current I assumed the verse as clockwise, as I said.
The problem is that I have just this drawing. I can't know anymore else about it.
 
I think there are three possible problems:

1) You made an error with the arithmetic. Check.

2) The book answer is wrong. It happens.

3) There is an error with the polarity of one of the batteries.

Try reversing the polarity of one of the batteries. It doesn't matter which one.
 
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Usually, the long line represents the positive terminal of a battery. If the current flows clockwise, following the current, the potential increases by 3 V across battery 2 and decreases by 2 V through battery 1:
##-ε2 -ir_2 -iR -ir_1 +ε1 = 0##. If your teacher uses the other sign convention, the current flows anti-clockwise.
What did you get for R?
twocells2.JPG
 
If I consider the current as anticlockwise I get the following equation
## -\epsilon1 - ir1 - iR - ir2 +\epsilon2 = 0 ##
And the result is ok, R = 14 ohm.

The drawing was unclear, so I assume that the positive terminals of the batteries were above (the opposite of the circuit that ehild draw above).
 

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