Calculating Thermal Efficiency of a 4-Process Heat Engine: Otto or Diesel Cycle

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The discussion revolves around calculating the thermal efficiency of a heat engine modeled on either the Otto or Diesel cycle. Participants explore the necessary data and equations required for this calculation, including the use of specific gas properties and thermodynamic principles.

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  • One participant inquires about calculating thermal efficiency using data from a four-process heat engine, specifically referencing the Otto or Diesel cycle.
  • Another participant suggests that if the working fluid is air, air tables may be needed to find enthalpy or internal energy values for each state to calculate net work and heat input.
  • A different contribution proposes calculating thermal efficiency using the formula n (thermal) = (Qh-Qc)/Qh or W/Qh, where Qh and Qc represent heat transferred at high and low temperatures, respectively.
  • One participant expresses the need to calculate work done for the Otto cycle, asking for ideas on how to proceed with given volume, pressure, and expansion/compression index data.
  • A participant shares plots related to the thermal efficiency of the Otto and Diesel cycles, suggesting that the information may be relevant to the discussion.

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Participants have not reached a consensus on the specific methods or formulas to use for calculating thermal efficiency, and multiple approaches and suggestions are presented without resolution.

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Participants reference various thermodynamic properties and equations, but there are no explicit assumptions or definitions provided that clarify the context of the calculations. The discussion remains open-ended regarding the specific methodologies to be employed.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals interested in thermodynamics, particularly those studying heat engines and their efficiencies in the context of Otto and Diesel cycles.

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Hi

Could anyone help me with this?

How would i go about calculating the thermal efficiency of a heat engine with four processes?

I am thinking of moddeling it on the Otto or Diesel Cycle.

The data i have is.

Temp @ State/Process 1

Specific Gas Constant

Specific Heat Capacity

and i have

Pressure

Volume

for states one, two, three and four.

How would i got about figuring out the thermal efficiency? do i use a NFEE equation?

Thanks for any help.
 
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Although my knowledge is limited on the subject, I assume that if the working fluid is air, then you would need some air tables to look up the enthalpy/internal energy values for each state. Once you have those values you can calculate the net work and the heat input to the engine. Your efficiency then is the ratio of the two.
 
See how much heat is transferred at the high temperature (Qh) then see how much heat is transferred at the low temperature (Qc), then use

n (thermal) = (Qh-Qc)/Qh or W/Qh
 
Thanks for that, i will have a go using that formula.

However, i need to calculate work done first for a otto cycle, any ideas on that?

I have Volume, Pressure and Exp/Comp Index
 
Hi there:

Check out your post on compression and expansion.

The same input material covers this post.

Here are two plots regarding the thermal efficiency of Otto Cycle and Diesel Cycle.

Slide43.GIF


Slide50.GIF


Thanks,

Gordan
 
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Thanks for that, understand better now, cheers...
 
EngNoob:

I am glad to be of some help to you and PF members and/or visitors ...

Thanks,

Gordan
 
Hi, I'm new by here.
The information helps.I will see something about jet engines.
But, just to make presence, leave a reply.Ok?
See you later.
 

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