Calculating Total Flight Time for a Rocket: A Scientific Approach

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total flight time of a rocket, involving concepts from kinematics and motion under gravity. Participants are analyzing various aspects of the rocket's ascent and descent, including initial velocities, maximum altitude, and the effects of gravitational acceleration.

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  • Participants are discussing the calculations related to the rocket's flight, including the time to reach maximum altitude and the time to fall back to the ground. There are questions about the correctness of the calculations and the interpretation of the variables involved, such as the velocity at maximum altitude and the implications of sign errors in the calculations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants questioning the validity of certain calculations and exploring different interpretations of the flight time components. There is no explicit consensus yet, but some guidance has been offered regarding the need to clarify the time calculations and the conditions at maximum altitude.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, which may impose specific requirements on how the calculations should be approached. There are indications of potential sign errors and misunderstandings regarding the definitions of variables used in the calculations.

ColeridgianHam
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Homework Statement
A missile silo is used to launch interplanetary rockets vertically upward out of the silo, giving the rocket an initial speed of 80.2 m/s at ground level. As the rocket clears the silo, the engines fire, and the rocket accelerates upward at 3.80 m/s^2 until it reaches an altitude of 1,080 m. At that point its engines fail, and the rocket goes into free fall, with an acceleration of −9.80 m/s^2.
Determine the rocket's velocity (in m/s) just before ground impact and its total time of flight (in s).
Relevant Equations
t=(Vx-Vi)/a
I calculated the time for the velocity before ground impact, which is v = -189.23 and the velocity at end of engine burn time, which is 120.996. I also calculated the max altitude (y = 1826.94), and the time to reach the max altitude was t = 23.0823 seconds. So from this information, I did:
t = (-189.23 + 120.996)/-9.80 = 6.9626 seconds.
Since the question asked for total flight time, I added this time together with the time to reach the maximum altitude:
6.9626s + 23.0823s = 30.0449 seconds
However, I was told my calculation for the total flight time is wrong, while everything else is correct. Where did I mess up?
 
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The rocket has initial velocity 80.2 m/s at groud level when t=0 s and go up to 1080 m with acceleration 3.80 m/s^2. When , say t1, the rocket reached height 1,080 m ?. How much speed, say v1, does it have then?

The rocket free falls with initial velocity v1 with gravity g downward at t=t1 second. When, say t2, the rocket crash to ground ? How much speed, say v2, does it have then?
 
ColeridgianHam said:
t = (-189.23 + 120.996)/-9.80 = 6.9626 seconds.
Since the question asked for total flight time, I added this time together with the time to reach the maximum altitude:
But t is not the time to fall from max altitude. What is the velocity at max altitude?
 
ColeridgianHam said:
t = (-189.23 + 120.996)/-9.80 = 6.9626 seconds.
This figure is supposed to have been the time taken for the Earth's gravity to reverse a 120.996 meter per second upward velocity into a -189.23 meter per second downward velocity.

Can you see a sign error in the calculation?
 
mjc123 said:
But t is not the time to fall from max altitude. What is the velocity at max altitude?
Your point is valid, but having corrected the calculation of that t (per post #4) it would be simpler to consider what time should be added to it to get the total flight time.
 

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