Find the initial velocity of a water rocket (mass changes)

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The discussion revolves around determining the initial velocity of a water rocket during its boost phase, where the mass of the rocket changes as water is expelled. Participants provide details about the rocket's mass, dimensions, and flight times, while also referencing kinematic equations relevant to the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need to clarify what is meant by "initial velocity" and whether it refers to the rocket or the water. There are attempts to relate the rocket's acceleration to its initial conditions and the forces involved during the boost phase.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants questioning the clarity of the original problem statement and exploring different interpretations of the initial velocity. Some suggest that the velocity just after the boost phase may be the focus, while others emphasize the need for precise wording from the original question.

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There is mention of a table containing the question, which may influence how participants interpret the initial conditions and expected outcomes. The discussion highlights the potential confusion surrounding the definition of initial velocity in this context.

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Homework Statement


Find the initial velocity of the boost phase (when water is coming out). Here is everything I know -
  • Mass of rocket with no water is 0.13kg, mass of rocket with water is 1.1kg. The total length of the rocket is 0.48m.
  • The time to the maximum point is 3.46 seconds, and total time of flight is 6.68 seconds. The duration of the boost phase is 0.4 seconds.
  • The height reached at the end of the boost phase is 21.9m.

Homework Equations


The kinematics equations.

The Attempt at a Solution


I am aware that one of the kinematics equations must be used, however, at the end of the boost phase, final velocity is not zero, and I don't know the acceleration (I would say 9.8m/s^2, but doesn't that change?). With 2 variables missing, I don't see how I can solve for initial velocity. Knowing displacement and time, how can I figure this out? [/B]
 
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Velocity of what? the rocket, the water? The initial velocity of the rocket must be zero unless you have an infinite acceleration.
 
barryj said:
Velocity of what? the rocket, the water? The initial velocity of the rocket must be zero unless you have an infinite acceleration.
The velocity of the rocket - the rocket has to have a velocity to take off, right?
 
I think that the water leaving the rocket will cause a reaction that will create a force that will accelerate the rocket from zero to some maximum value.

Think about this. If you are stationary in a car and then push on the accelerator the velocity of the car will be initially at zero and then accelerate to some value depending on the cars engine torque.

I suggest you Google "rocket equation" and see what you get.
 
rocketlaunch said:
Find the initial velocity of the boost phase
Are you sure this is the question asked? Please post the question word-for-word as given to you.
 
haruspex said:
Are you sure this is the question asked? Please post the question word-for-word as given to you.
It was given as a table, and the words in the column said "initial velocity of rocket taking off".
 
rocketlaunch said:
It was given as a table, and the words in the column said "initial velocity of rocket taking off".
Then you have your answer in posts #2 and #3, but I would word it differently. Not that it has to have zero velocity to take, but that it will be zero in this context.
 
I would bet that what is wanted is the velocity of the rocket just after the boost phase. This can be determined by the time to reach the maximum height. After 0.4 seconds, the rocket is no longer accelerating. Now given the time to achieve maximum height you can determine the velocity just after the boost is over. This is what I think is wanted.
 
barryj said:
I would bet that what is wanted is the velocity of the rocket just after the boost phase.
I thought that until post #6.
 

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