Calculating transistor bias currents

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The discussion revolves around calculating transistor bias currents in a circuit. The user successfully determined the base voltage, emitter voltages, and emitter current for Q2, but is uncertain about calculating the collector current for Q1 (ic1). They propose using Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) to relate currents at a node, aiming to find ic1 by summing currents. A key point raised is the neglect of base currents, which is crucial for accurate calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying transistor relationships and KCL in bias current calculations.
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Basically I want to know whether my working method was correct as I have doubts with some of it.

I first did voltage division at the two base resistances, and I get 3V at the base. Since we know there's a base-emitter drop of 0.7V, the emitter voltage of Q1 is 2.3V which is also the base voltage of Q2, therefore the emitter voltage of Q2 is 1.6V.

This means we can calculate the emitter current of Q2 easily. After obtaining the emitter current of Q2, using the Ie = Ib + Ic relation and substituting for Ib = Ic/B, we can easily getting the collector current ic2.

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Now here is where I'm a bit confused as to how to proceed and get ic1

I thought I can get the current from Vcc to Vb, let's call it ix, going back to the Vcc node, can I use that as a KCL point? So basically if I have ix leaving that node, and let's call the other current il which is going through Rc, those two must add up to give 0.

Once I have il, then il = ic1 + ic2 and therefore I can solve for ic1 and hence also find the voltage at Vc which is the DC voltage they asked for.

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Thanks.
 
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For a given transistor, IB and IC, and IB and IE are related through the β; you should know these expressions.

Since you have calculated a value for the emitter current of Q2, you can work back to its base current. But that base current is also the emitter current of Q1... carry on.
 
Ah...I see now. Yes, I know the expressions, I didn't read the question correctly: "neglect base currents where appropriate" - I completely neglected it.

Thanks for that.
 

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